Time didn't expect David Cross's answer
David Cross has a book out. It’s published by Grand Central (a “small” publishing house with $500,000,000 in annual revenue and a staff of 400) and they (or Cross’s management) managed to wangle an interview with the prickly comedian in Time (a “large” magazine that is owned by a company with $43 billion in annual revenue… and a payroll that dwarfs the gross national product of some small nations). We love the opening quote:
TIME: Why did you decide to write this book?
Cross: It was simply picking up the phone and saying yes to whoever’s idea it was. Somebody from the publishing company called my literary agent, which I didn’t know existed at the time. Still haven’t met him. Although he’s welcome to 15% of whatever I earn.
There’s a bad review making the rounds, by a guy named Nigel Duara. Since AP has picked it up, it’s coursing throughout the WWW and the MSM. But, since it’s AP, it’s like a virus.
The problem with pulling a comedy act off the stage and onto the page is simple: Context gets lost. This is a problem for David Cross, whose ranting, angry invective is so successful in his standup act. His first book, “I Drink for a Reason,” doesn’t hold up nearly as well.
Well, duh! He’s a standup comic, not a writer. It doesn’t mean it might not be an enjoyable read, but it’s a book that will probably be read in the “E-Colibrary” not in lit classes.
It’s really pretty silly that a staffer for the Des Moines register can write a review of a book and then have that review become the sole review of the book for the entire MSM (in the U.S. and Canada and God knows where else!).
It’s a sad commentary on things in media. Apparently, none of the entities that subscribe to AP have anybody on hand to write a review of a book. Otherwise, there’d be more than one review out there!
And, let’s face it, it’s not a very good review. Seriously, anyone who regards a book by a standup comic as anything other than a quick and dirty response to management capitalizing on yet another revenue stream has got to have his head examined. (Has anyone read “Side Effects” or “Without Feathers” lately? They’re mildly amusing. We didn’t buy them to– borrow them?– gain any insight into life or the author or the human condition.)
Cross’s book is most likely no different. It will be bought by rabid fans, by relatives of rabid fans, by folks who were fans of “Arrested Development.” None will set aside a weekend to dive into the insights afforded by “I Drink For A Reason.” It’s a souvenir, a fetish. The review should start with that premise.
And Time is sadly mired in the old images. (Do we expect anything better?)
Your first stand-up tour in five years kicks off next month. What should audiences expect?
I’m trying to tweak the show so that it’s not simply an hour of stand-up. And I’m trying to add some more elements to it, which I’m working on now — doing something to justify a $30-ticket price. I trust I’ll be able to rise to the occasion and put on a good show so people hopefully feel like, “Well, that was fun. I’m glad I drove out here.”
Instead of throwing rotten vegetables at you.
Well, hopefully not rotten. I mean, I will eat anything. And the rest I’ll collect and send to the food bank, so that’s fine.
The ol’ rotten vegetable toss! (Was it an ironic reference? Who know. Who cares, really.)
Time and the AP subscribers shrink in their influence and their relevance while Amazon.com Customer Reviews swamp them. Read the reviews– they’re more insightful and informative than the Duara review. And they’ll be far more influential when it comes to selling books… and they’re written by amateurs! (Nothing is perfect– might one or two may have been planted by the publisher? No matter… it’s just a new form of publicity/promotion.)
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Reply to: Time didn't expect David Cross's answer
I understand that most books by standup comedians don’t usually hold much depth or personal insight on the world, but I think it is unfair to generalize all books written by standup comedians as being shallow or unable to compare to the work of the so called real writers of the world. What about the numerous books and essays by George Carlin, Steve Martin, or Bill Cosby? They all wrote with as much humor as they spoke with and received great critiques by the same people critiquing the best selling fiction writers. In fact, Carlin often regarded himself first as a writer before a standup comic. I think it is important for you to emphasize the fact that comedians are just as capable of writing a book with insight as anyone else. By saying that it was expected for David Cross to write a book below the par of other writers simply because he is a standup comedian, is essentially like saying that we should lower our expectations when reading a comedians book so that we will be less disappointed.
Look up any of Carlin’s books. They’re merely repackaging of jokes from his act. (Just ask Mike Barnicle!)
C’mon– the vast majority of books written by comedians– with rare exceptions– are banged out between gigs. Each one is a tchotchoke designed to be a quick read and make a quick buck and capitalize on the comedian’s fame.
It doesn’t mean they aren’t funny, doesn’t mean they aren’t entertaining. But they’re mainly just a compendium of the comic’s act or they’re slightly longer-form exercises.
Okay, Steve Martin wrote a novella. His is the exception. They are rare.
Who among us would turn down the advance money (and, if things work out, the royalties) from a thin volume that you could knock out in a matter of weeks?
It’s not a bad thing, it’s not a good thing, it’s just a thing.
They all do it… it’s a time-honored tradition. And we’ve read a ton of them. Our bookcase is loaded with books by Alan King, Groucho Marx, Bob Hope, Don Rickles, Drew Carey, Tim Allen– on and on. They don’t deliver the manuscript to the publisher and then sit by the phone waiting for the call from the Pulitzer committee. They wait by the mailbox for the check.
We’re not criticizing them, we’re just pointing out that these books shouldn’t be compared to book written by “real writers.” 98 per cent of the books penned by comedians over the past 50 years wouldn’t have gotten published if the author weren’t a famous comedian. The quality just isn’t there. And that’s fine. That’s how some publishing works. The author’s fame drives the deal. Go into any bookstore and there’ll be a good number of books that were written (or ghost-written) by a famous person who is not famous for his/her facility with the printed word. These books are reviewed, but the reviewer often acknowledges that the work is a by-product of fame.
Reviewers usually know this and they write a review that reflects this (if they bother to give it a serious review at all).
Please—be honest for .3 seconds. If Nigel Duara had said “‘I Drink For a Reason’ was penned by a stand up comic, so it should not be taken seriously as a literary effort” you would be screeching about the lack of respect for comics in the media.
Your arguments are sort of all over the place, so it’s hard to keep track. You seem annoyed that there is only one review out there (for what it’s worth, the AV Club review is pretty easy to find and echoes much of the review you are finding fault with) but you also say that the book is mainly a cash grab and not meant to further the discussion of American Literature. Why would you be shocked that the NY Times didn’t get their 3 top guys going for a roundtable?
No, Mike. You are the one with the craptastic argument(s).
Don’t tell us what our reactions “would have been.”
If you read this magazine with any regularity, you might be able to figure out our reactions, as they are usually consistent. Note: We don’t “screech.” We piss, we moan, but never do we screech. Perhaps your sensitive ears perceive our pissing and moaning as screeching. But that’s not our problem.
Our reactions are there in the post.
If Duara had said that the book shouldn’t be taken seriously, we would have agreed. Check our post– we say that most books written by comics are hastily dictated, fluff pieces. We’ve said that about books in the past in the pages of this magazine. We’ve said it about Alan King, Drew Carey, Don Rickles and others.
It’s easy to keep track–
1. The book is, by Cross’s own admission (it’s the first answer in the TIME interview) a cynical money-making venture.
2. Anyone who reviews it as a literary classic is a bonehead.
3. The only review of the book is boneheaded.
4. It would be nice if there were more than one review out there.
5. It would be nice if the only newspaper that reviewed had been slightly more realistic.
We never said that the NYT should “get their 3 top guys” on the case. That’s just you being unnecessarily melodramatic and snarky.
Hello?!! We stuck up for David Cross. Cross knows it’s not a modern classic. But he certainly can’t be happy that some goofball at the Des Moines Register seems not to know the first thing about thin volumes churned out by famous comedians.
Cross is trying to make a buck. He did what countless other comics have done in the past.
Duara wrote a simpleton review. (It’s kinda like a theater critic savaging the local high school production of Guys And Dolls or a sports writer writing a scathing account of a teeball game and going on about “lack of hustle.”)
Your average Googler, who punches in “I drink for a reason” or “David Cross” in Google News gets results that are dominated by the Duara review. AP has 1,700 papers in on the gag. And $700 million in annual revenue. And their dominance is only getting worse with each layoff and buyout. The book is being unfairly evaluated in the MSM.
Then we linked to positive, interesting customer reviews on Amazon.com as an antidote to the Duara review.
If the AV Club wrote a review similar to Duara’s, then they’re just as dopey.
Now… who’s being dishonest here? That would be you.
And… who’s failing to read carefully? Again, that would be you, Mike.
Thanks for the comment.
I do read regularly. It’s how I’m able to spot when you’re full of it.
“Cross’s book is most likely no different. It will be bought by rabid fans, by relatives of rabid fans, by folks who were fans of “Arrested Development.” None will set aside a weekend to dive into the insights afforded by “I Drink For A Reason.” It’s a souvenir, a fetish.”
Nigel Duara sounds like a fan to me. Cross’s comedy is “visceral” and Mr. Show was “fantastic.” He even makes the same point you did—that Carlin’s books were basically the stage act in print form. Duara just went on to say that Carlin was more successful at it.
The crux of the review is that there are some amusing parts from a funny guy, but it doesn’t match his live show.
I think at the very least we’ll agree that live standup is unique, exciting, unpredictable, and fun.
You are frustrated that there aren’t more reviews out there. But the review I read says “decent, but better to go see him live.”
So why the derision?
Mike says:
“I do read regularly. It’s how I’m able to spot when you’re full of it.”
Such a sweet talker!
Mike: We weren’t really all that upset about any of this. We suggest you reserve your passion for something that’s really important. Calm down. Take a pill. Try some deep breathing. Maybe go running. Do whatever you must to get your heart rate down.
Okay, so if no comedian’s book is supposed to be taken seriously, what in the world would be the point of a review? If a comedian’s book is not supposed to be taken seriously, are you taking a stance that they should all receive good reviews? You make no sense, and you sound like fan-boy nerds.
Jacob hisses:
“Okay, so if no comedian’s book is supposed to be taken seriously, what in the world would be the point of a review?”
To which we reply: Bingo!
Reviews (and, by extension, reviewers) are pointless. Customer reviews are much more helpful… that’s why we referred our readers to them.
Jacob goes further:
“If a comedian’s book is not supposed to be taken seriously, are you taking a stance that they should all receive good reviews?”
To which we reply:
Logic isn’t your strong suit.
Jacob, who might have quit while he was ahead appends this:
“You make no sense, and you sound like fan-boy nerds.”
To which we reply:
Yes! That’s us! “Fan-boy nerds!” Just ask anyone who has read us for any amount of time and they’ll tell you: Those two over at SHECKYmagazine are fan-boy nerds! Especially when it comes to their unblinking worship of David Cross! (Right now, anyone who has read this mag for any amount of time is laughing heartily at Jacob’s characterization.)
Jacob, don’t be a ninny.
And for God’s sake, grow a pair and post with your real name and your real profile.