Last Comic Standing Update… sorta (Episode 2, Season 7)
There’s a status update on a Facebook profile (the profile of someone who has a lot of juice in this business) about last week’s premiere episode of Last Comic Standing. We were stunned. For many resaons. Here it is:
Saw Last Comic Standing. And my stomach hurts like I got punched really hard. So incredibly sad to watch the circus. I feel bad watching great comedians like Andy Kindler and Greg Giraldo have to pretend someone is good…because the producers make them. It’s all part of the manipulation that is “reality television.” The only saving grace is the huge exposure comedians get from this.
This is great.
He essentially took a shit– a whopping, steaming shit– on the credit that is “Appeared on LCS, Season Seven.”
He has portrayed everyone– from Giraldo and Kindler on down– as being sad, as participants in a “circus.” This is just wonderful.
Not only that, he has implied that Kindler and Giraldo– perhaps the two greatest innovations of the new season– are essentially puppets (who “pretend someone is good…because the producers make them”).
And, by not naming names, he has implied that anyone who made it through to the evening showcase was moved on, not because of talent, but because of producer fiat.
Giraldo and Kindler have a difficult job to do. (We’re only leaving out Leggero because she wasn’t singled out in the Facebook status update.) And they’re doing it with integrity and humor. And not a hint of vitriol or condescension.
In the past, other comics have been given this task and have handled it poorly– Ant being the most notorious. So we have no problem with the way these judges are carrying out their duties.
To imply that these two comics– arguably among the most respected and admired in the business– are being cynically manipulated (or are themselves cynically manipulating others) is… cynical.
We’re fascinated by some of the comments that have been popping up on some of the blogs and throughout some of the social media.
“That’s what happens when you need a paycheck,” chimed in one comment on the above quoted status update. “It is an incredibly sad and disturbing portrayal of comedy esp. for those of us who’ve worked so hard to be successful at it.” said another.
A third comment added:
That show has always been just awful… to sell the idea that these are the best comics in the country, or anything at all close to that– is pathetic. For all of us comics busting our tails in this business… what a sham. I can only imagine how painful it is for someone of your level to see this amateur night to be passed off as a contest.
We add that these commenters are comedians.
We ask them: Exactly who was the pathetic comedian from last week? Was it Kirk Fox? Who are the sad ones from last week? Laurie Kilmartin and David Feldman, perhaps? Which of the “amateurs” that were passed through last week’s “circus” caused the above commenters so much anguish? Shane Mauss? Or Chip Pope, maybe? Was it the promotion of Maronzio Vance or Taylor Williamson that caused this lynchmob so much heartache?
We were frustrated about certain elements of the broadcast. We’ve detailed exactly what it was that so bothered us. But, there’s nothing remotely “sad” or “disturbing” about what transpired on that premiere episode.
It was two hours of comics– mostly accomplished and respected comedians– who were excited and grateful for an opportunity to garner network primetime exposure. If you found anything sad or pathetic about it, you had better reassess your relationship to the business. And get a hold of yourself.
And get over yourself.
Now the “circus” moves on to New York. And this time the producers had the audacity to use their strongarm tactics to force Kindler and Giraldo and Leggero into promoting such sad, pathetic amateurs as Roy Wood, Jr., Tommy Johnagin, Kurt Metzger and Mike DeStefano to the big show.
We can certainly see why some folks might feel as though they’d been punched in the gut after watching that sorry spectacle.
And what a bunch of saps these contestants are! After all, the only saving grace of having been selected to perform in Los Angeles is the huge exposure… on primetime network television. What a gang of suckers they must feel like!
We must ask: Why does anyone appear on a network television show? For the thrill? To change minds? To prove, once and for all, to our dead father that we eventually amounted to something?
Get a grip, people: We do it for the exposure! Of course it’s the only saving grace! Do you think people do it for the AFTRA minimum? Hell, no! It’s for the exposure.
How many hoops do we usually jump through to get similar exposure on, say, a late-night television show? We do the same 4:30 set over and over and over until it isn’t even remotely funny to our own ears. We submit the transcript to be picked over by Standards and Practices and dutifully consent to their ridiculous requests. We fly to a distant city and cheerfully acquiesce to the often bizarre and senseless changes “suggested” by the talent coordinator.
You can only get so much exposure by performing four shows a weekend to a total of 750 people. Television provides a way to get your message, your persona, your particular brand of comedy alchemy to as many people as efficiently as possible in the hopes of turning that 750 into 1,250… and eventually into 12, 500… in one night.
And, with few exceptions, the only thing that can work that magic is television.
And if you dare to condescend to anyone who knowingly and willfully submits to jump through LCS’s (neglibly) different series of hoops, then you are unnecessarily denigrating your fellow comic… and preposterously elevating yourself above him. And all so that you can tsk-tsk about it the next time you’re in a green room, or the next time you update your Facebook status.
Now, that is pathetic.
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Reply to: Last Comic Standing Update… sorta (Episode 2, Season 7)
I’m curious as to why Cathy Ladman didn’t advance to the semis — ESPECIALLY since her “Hitler” set was considered to be so good — and it was — to be shown in almost its entirety (no other comic seemed — according to the editing — to be as strong).
I’ve been accused of not being a Cathy Ladman fan (by Ms. Ladman herself, IIRC), but that set was world-class, and for her not to advance makes one think that something’s rotten in the state of Burbank.
If something weird or rotten was going on, why did they show the set? It seems pretty obvious to us that, if you’re going to pull off something hinky, you don’t show well-lit videotape of the hinkiness. If you want to hide something, you bury the tape.
There were other solid veterans up on that stage when the red envelopes were handed out. We spotted Geechy Guy and Felicia Michaels. They got no face time at all.
We, too love Cathy Ladman. Perhaps she didn’t do well in the interview portion. Perhaps they only wanted to pick one, over-40 white female and the choice was Laurie Kilmartin. There are a lot of other elements to the show/contest that aren’t shown in a two-hour distillation.
We’re puzzled by the schizophrenic nature of the analysis– on the one hand, people acknowledge that the show is cast (they display a certain level of sophistication); on the other hand, they claim to feel as though they’ve been punched in the tummy (they display an odd vulnerability and an inexplicable innocence that is wholly incompatible with the aforementioned sophistication). You can’t have it both ways.
The show is cast inasmuch as the producers probably don’t want a ten-person final that contains ten over-40 white women. Or a final that has ten African-American males between the age of 25 and 45. Or a final that has ten white guys wearing horn-rimmed glasses telling one-liners. This is done for many reasons, some of them TV-related, some of them very practical– votes cancelling out other votes, demographics, etc. The goal is, we suppose, diversity. Not just diversity of appearance or color or ethnicity, but diversity in material, approach or sensibility.
We’re stunned, as we monitor the chatter on the WWW, at just what captures the public’s fancy– things that we don’t personally think are funny, things that we don’t even notice, things that we do notice but don’t think are important. It’s a huge, diverse country and humor, we mustn’t forget, is subjective. Crafting a final ten on a show like this one is a complex chess game and the motivations behind the decisions aren’t immediately apparent. But to say that the decisions are “rotten” goes too far.
Even if we were to eventually discover that some of the spots in the final ten were reserved in advance or designated for favored comics, the fact remains that everyone who enters the contest still has the chance to do their thing on network television… in primetime. That set of Ladman’s did probably did her a world of good. It didn’t advance her to the finals, but it’s been shown to an audience of a few million people twice now, in the space of a week. And it will probably be shown again on cable. She no doubt will experience somewhat of a revival in interest in her career. If that was indeed her motivation for auditioning (and we suspect that it probably was), she has achieved that goal.
I was pretty stunned that she didn’t make it through either. On the other side, I wonder how it felt for Giraldo, et al., to have to pass judgement on a woman who’s been a comic since they were in grade school, if not before that.
I can’t count the number of times in the past few weeks that I’ve told people (when they asked why I didn’t go stand in line) that the comedians they’re watching on LCS are professionals who have been at it for years. They seem genuinely surprised and disappointed that at least some of the contestants weren’t living in refrigerator boxes until the auditions. I don’t recall LCS promoting the idea that the contestants are rank amateurs or “civilians,” a la American Idol, but apparently the rags-to-riches idea is a big part of the appeal for a lot of people.
I know exactly why comedians feel this way, the show is created to appeal to the masses and therefore comics town down what they do. Throw in producers that don’t really care as much about stand-up and you have a bunch of professional comedians angry about a show that falsely represents stand-up comedy to middle America. I know some comics that made it and they weren’t happy with the show themselves but they know it is a necessary evil to help boost your career. This show isn’t good, look at it objectively for a moment. I have friends that aren’t comedians and they dislike the show because they feel the same way the comic in your post did, like they were hit in the gut.
The comics tone down what they do because the show is presented on primetime network television.
We are all big boys and girls. We know what the rules are. If you feel constrained by the rules of primetime network television, then you either don’t do the show or you tailor your material to conform to the rules. How hard is this to understand?
And how hard is it to not be bitter, confused, hurt and angry when confronted with this bargain? Often our material must be toned down to do even late night network television. And even the majority of cable outlets have requirements when it comes to material. Is there anyone out there who doesn’t know this? Why all the angst? Why all the feigned outrage when they encounter a television show that presents comedians on primetime television? Get your shit together, people: This is (and has been for the past eight years or so, with few exceptions) the ONLY primetime network television show that presents standup comics to a vast audience.
In the past, there were variety shows that did so, but they’re gone for three decades or more. And we can’t imagine anyone from that era crying about the restrictions on those shows. They told their agent to get them on the show, they submitted their routines and they did their thing. And quite often, fame and fortune followed.
Have you seen the commercial for the DVD set of the Ed Sullivan Show? You’ll find the best comedians of that era doing (for the most part) tight, well-crafted sets in front of a live audience (in the studio that Letterman works in currently) and a television audience that numbered in the tens of millions. Dick Gregory, Richard Pryor, George Carlin, Lenny Bruce– they all saw the wisdom of this “necessary evil.” (Since when did performing on television in front of millions become an “evil?” What kind of twisted thought process leads one to this conclusion?)
We’re also puzzled as to how the show “falsely represents stand-up comedy to middle America.” This phrase means nothing. Anyone who repeats it does so reflexively and without thinking.
For the most part, the majority of the comedians who have advanced to the semifinals in past seasons have been comedians who have experience performing (varied experience, to be sure) in front of live audiences in comedy clubs throughout the US and Canada. Very few have been amateurs. There was, to be sure, a controversy early on involving judging, but the producers chose to air footage of the entire incident. They could have easily edited the whole thing out and no one would have known.
We’re not sure what folks are getting at when they use such language as “betrayed” or “punched in the stomach” or “the producers don’t care much about standup.” Who can quarrel with the choices so far? Is there anyone out there, with any decent knowledge of standup, that can observe the promotion of Mike DeStefano, Laurie Kilmartin, Kurt Metzger, Tommy Johnagin and Roy Wood, Jr. and say that this year’s producers “don’t really care much about standup comedy?” That such choices feel like a kick in the gut? Exactly what is going on here? Are we all watching the same show?
This is a textbook example of mass hysteria.
And we’re at a loss to explain the laughable enmity directed toward comics who may have gotten a spot or a look because of the assistance of a manager or an agent. Just how do these people suppose practically everyone gets a look from a producer or a talent coordinator? There are exceptions, to be sure, but… they… are… exceptions.
We know of performers who got an audition without an agent. We know of people who got passed onto the evening showcase without benefit of an agent. We know of performeres who got to the seminfinals without any representation. We know of people who got an audition based solely on a reputation. We know of performers who, after getting through to the evening showcase (after doing well enough in an audition that was awarded based on a reputation) who then failed to advance to the semifinals. There is, among this years crop (and, we suspect, among the prospects in each of the previous six seasons of the show) every possible combination and permutation of comedians with/without an agent, with/without a reputation, who advanced to the variuos stages of the competition. The propensity for people to grab onto and embellish dark and outlandish condpiracy theories as to how the show is cast is startling and embarrassing.
We have a theory: The comedians who have followed the show (and many who have only heard secondhand accounts of the show) over the previous six seasons have developed a hatred for the show. (We hasten to include ourselves among a subset of this group– no one was as outspoken as we when it came to pointing out the show’s shortcomings, the missteps, the degradations, etc. ) However, when these comedians are confronted with the latest iteration of the show, they just can’t stop hating it… even though there is ample evidence that the show has changed significantly. Without critically observing the new season, without objectively considering the facts, they’ve concluded that the show is unchanged. They’ve watched some respected comedians gain entry to the semifinals and, instead of congratulating them, instead of expressing some relief that the show has actually reformed itself, they have opted to trash the show. And, along with it, they’ve chosen to trash all the comedians who have taken great risk and trusted that the new producers might actually know what they’re doing. (And that the comedians themselves might actually know what they’re doing!)
If you have friends– most likely non-comedy professionals– who “dislike the show because they feel the same way that the comic in (our) post did,” then most likely your friends simply disagree with the choices made thus far. This is understandable because, after all, comedy is subjective. But they are most likely ignorant when it comes to the finer points of standup comedy. This, too, is understandable because, after all, we can’t expect everyone– or even a small percentage of the population– to be all that sophisticated when it comes to actually analyzing standup, particularly standup as presented within the framework of primetime network television.
But we have to wonder: What is the excuse among our colleagues for such utter, thundering, ugly ignorance?
Bravo for your excellent and eloquently written article. I appeared, as a specific character, on LCS #6 as one of the people cast as comedic chum (as if to tell audience “this is NOT how to do it, this is another guy who didn’t get chosen to advance”) and they used 23 seconds of my 2 minute audition for a few laughs. I knew that when they found my photo and called to offer time slot. The resume credit has benefitted my acting auditions and opened a few doors. The exposure has resulted in a film director recognizing me -without the character wig & costume wore on LCS- and he raved about me to his partner, plus many others, from audience members to industry people have recognized me from the 23 seconds.
Had I received 23 seconds on air as a basic standup act, I’d probably have garnered 3 months of club work besides the nice payday from the audition.
Thanx for writing your articles. Your efforts. thoughts and viewpoints are beneficial for me as I strive to finally get consistent and focused on writing to equal the performance, as advised. Also, thank you for advocating for comedians.
First, I didn’t intend my comment to sound bitter. I am not. I do have issue with how certain aspects of the business go but so does everyone. I agree with you that to tone down your material for TV is what you have to do and all the greats have done so. I see the show as a reality show contest and not a true comedy contest. I hope this year they show more stand up.
No worries, Chris Adams. We “went off.” You just happened to provide the springboard.