Children starving… for attention
We have long held that it’s ghastly to inflict children doing standup on a comedy club crowd.
It was Robert Heinlein who said, “Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and it annoys the pig.”
We have a new one: Never try to teach a kid standup. It wastes your time and it annoys the audience.
We went over to Helium last night to work out some material on their open mike night. (Helium was nice enough to spare us the sign-up ritual. We were given the last two spots on a lengthy bill.)
The Male Half stayed in the bar and went over notes while The Female Half monitored the room during the show, which was a combination of newcomers and experienced acts.
Up until this point, any child we’ve seen performing on a standup stage has at least had the decency to work clean… or relatively clean. Last night, however, was the exception. A 13-year-old (some said he was 12; he looked 11) went up at Helium and did a cringe-inducing adult set. He paced the stage as if he were performing in his own HBO special. He did “jerking-off” material– enhanced with brief visual re-enactment. He mentioned “tits and ass.” And, when the light came on, he said, “I’d like to stay, but I have to get off because of this damn light.” Nice.
The Male Half missed it. The Female Half was furious. (Such was her anger, she says, that she should have left then and there, lest her anger get the best of her.)
And, if that weren’t enough, Junior took a seat with dad– in the audience– in the third row which, because there was no one seated in the first two rows, was technically the first row. Can we all agree that it’s bad form for the open mikers to take a seat in the audience? Has there been an open mike that hasn’t banned that practice (or at the very least, discouraged it)?
It’s bad enough having a kid in the audience. The violence it does to the audience dynamic is incalculable. Take that and multiply it by a thousand when it’s tween kid whose just been onstage doing masturbation jokes.
The kid got no genuine laughs. It was all shock laughs, cheap stuff. What kind of parent not only allows but encourages this kind of freak show? One feels as though one is witnessing the creation of a self-esteem monster of unparalleled proportions. (The self-esteem monster won’t necessarily make miserable the lives of the comics or patrons at future shows– the kid will most likely wash out, comedy-wise, when the thrill wears off and the laughs dissipate– but his outsized pride and arrogance will fester and balloon until he’s unbearable in nearly every facet of his life.)
The crowd had been stiff and judgmental all night. A roller-coaster for all concerned. Never any momentum.
The Female Half went on next to last and, after about three minutes, attempted to jiggle them out of their complacency by threatening to bring back the child comic for more jokes about masturbation. The response was startling, especially considering that he had gone on much earlier in the night– 17 or 18 comics had gone on between boy wonder and The Female Half. (The spectacle was clearly on everyone’s mind… and not in a good way. It was something that might have been addressed immediately afterward by the emcee. Or by the comedians who followed. But, as most of those who followed were first-timers or very new, none did– none dared deviate from their alloted three minutes, and understandably so. And none of the more experienced comics who came after saw fit to make mention of the trauma. It made for unnecessary tension that needed defusing, but which never got defused.)
She looked over to see Super Dad playfully punching Sonny Boy in the arm saying (loud enough for all to hear), “I’m proud of him!”
The Female Half’s blood pressure skyrocketed. She hammers the kid a couple of times more. Then it’s onto the rest of her set.
She fully admits that she allowed her anger to dictate her actions and momentarily deviate from the night’s mission. But the attitude and the posture (head on the table!) of the juvenile open miker was an affront that was insufferable. What was also galling was the fact that both parent and child seemed oblivious to the rudeness they were displaying.
As she winds up her set and says her goodbyes, the kid leaps up, approaches the stage and, while ostentatiously proffering a slip of paper in the direction of The Female Half, announces loudly to the assembled, “Here’s my number!”
The Female Half halts the proceedings and says, “Hold on… If he thinks I’m touching that piece of paper after he’s been up here telling everybody he masturbates, he’s out of his mind.” The reaction is mixed. She exits.
A comic should never (NEVER!) approach another act while that act is onstage. Never. Not at the beginning of the set, not in the middle, not at the end. That is pure bush league. It’s unprofessional. It bespeaks a colossal arrogance. It is indicative of a thundering ignorance of the ways of, for lack of a less pretentious term, “The Theater.” As seemingly informal as the standup millieu might be, there are still some unspoken rules and regulations. Not the least of which is you don’t insinuate yourself into someone else’s act– not physically, not verbally– unless you are asked to do so. (And the “Ick Factor” of a 12-year-old giving his number to a 44-year-old woman is off the charts.)
We hope this kid doesn’t get any more spots. For every one of the 20 or so spots that were given out last night, there might be three comics desiring that same spot. Which means that a couple aspiring (adult) comics went home last night disappointed, while this precocious twerp soaked up a precious slot.
It got us to thinking about the art of emceeing. In an above paragraph, we note that the incident could have been ameliorated, the tone of the evening recalibrated, by the emcee. However, the emcee at this particular open mike is at a distinct disadvantage– he’s sequestered in the green room just off the stage and can’t clearly hear (or see!) what’s transpiring onstage. And, since many of the sets are three minutes in length, it’s not practical for the emcee to monitor the acts by leaving the green room to watch from the showroom. There should be a monitor back there. Sure, situations like this one arise only occasionally, but proper emceeing– emceeing that keeps it moving, that occasionally comments on moments of shared experience with the audience, that offers a running commentary on the progress of the show– practically requires that the emcee be familiar with what transpires onstage, not sequestered backstage.
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That’s pretty pathetic that this kid’s father would promote such material! I knew a kid that was actually pretty funny, and worked clean. He performed in some shows I was involved with and was better than most of the adults (all at lower tiers of the comedy world). He appeared to have some pressure from his mother, and may have eventually bailed on the whole thing when he got older (I haven’t heard anything about him in a couple of years). I think in the right circumstances, there is room for “kid” comics, just as there is room for “kid” athletes; it’s mostly a matter of how the parents handle it.
Yes, that was pretty despicable for the dad to encourage that kind of material, or even allow his kid to do stand-up at all. My story is not nearly as bad. I recently performed at a variety show in L.A., and they had a 5-year-old comic on the bill. That’s not a typo. Of course the poor fella couldn’t remember all of his jokes, so his mom and dad in the audience would shout out the set-ups and (occasionally) the punch line. They would shout out to him: “What does Marc Anthony eat for dessert?” And he would repeat to the audience: “What does Marc Anthony eat for dessert? J Lo.” Silly jokes like that. Knock-knock-type jokes.
But the kicker was this: When he finished his set, the parents yelled up, “His little brother wants to go on!” The audience was collectively groaning inside. But the emcee (in his questionable wisdom) let the little brother go on next. And he was only 3 or 4! So the little brother strutted to the stage and repeated ALL 15 (or so) of the exact same jokes! But it took twice as long because the parents had to shout out the setup and punchline to almost every joke.
I’m sure that the parents thought their little boys were adorable, but I’m not sure why they need to make the rest of the audience suffer through their acts. Maybe they’re living vicariously through their kids?
I’m of the opinion that you let the 11, 12, 13 year old say what’s on his mind. I’ve been places where I’m waiting to go on and have to watch 30 comics do masturbation, fecal matter and stereotype jokes for 3 to 6 minutes each. Bad jokes are bad jokes. And that whole clean versus dirty debate is ridiculous. Should he have been made to work clean? No. Why, because he’s a minor? No. If the dad says he can say these things, then its okay. That’s his parent. He will raise the kid as he sees fit. I understand your disgust at having to watch a bad comic do terrible jokes, and yes it was incredibly uncouth of him to approach the stage, but, so was attacking a comic who can’t offer a rebuttle because his 3 minutes came and gone an hour and a half prior.
Sometimes, just gotta let it go.
I agree with much of the article, but what then is the proper age for someone to start doing stand-up? I feel like a person’s ability to start comedy should be based on certain qualifications, not on age.
In my opinion, as long as someone can write their own material they should be allowed. I believe Dave Chappelle started when he was 14, only one year older than the comic mentioned in this article.
Really, why should stand up be any different than any other performing art? There are kid singers and actors, right? Granted there is a difference between the kid who is on stage because a parent is pushing it on them, and a kid who wants to try it our for their own reasons. I have shared the stage with both, once with a kid who clearly was not telling jokes that she had written and was being pushed by her parents. Another time with a kid who was doing her own clean material voluntarily, and who’s parents had the sense to have her leave the room when she was not performing (due to language and topics that other comics might discuss).
I feel like there is a certain level of hypocrisy in this article. Plenty of comics don’t get “genuine” laughs. A crippled comic who makes fun of himself for example can be funny but often gets sympathy laughter, much like the kid you talk about in this article. I have been to open mics where spots and/or time are granted based on how many friends you bring. This results in comics bringing 20 people, then potentially telling hacky jokes but “killing” because the room is full of their people.
Not to mention comics who resort profanity to compensate for their lack of funniness (like the kid you mentioned in this article). As a side note, as a comic who always works clean I feel there is a double standard in this area. Why can’t a kid work dirty, but an adult can. If your reasoning is that the kid hasn’t had the dirty experiences that he is talking about on stage and it makes his comedy “fake”, then I agree. If it is simply because of his age, I strongly disagree.
Great article as always, keep up the good work!
This isn’t “dirty vs. clean.”
This is a question of what is appropriate for a child.
A kid can go on and do comedy. Sometimes it’s embarrassing, rarely it’s not.
But the problems with this particular kid were legion. He was doing material that was inappropriate for a child. It matters not if dad approved. He can sit home and tell all the dirty jokes he wants. He can stand up at a family reunion and regale Grandma and Grandpa and Uncle Al with tale after tale of his pre-pubescent sexual fantasies all he wants. But to subject a roomful of strangers to this spectacle is to risk ruining the evening for all the comics who are making an honest effort to try out material and master the stage.
The performance did damage to the audience dynamic. He sat among the audience members afterward. He approached a performer. At the tail end of his set, he was rude (“I have to get off because of this damn light.”) and disrespectful. We would say that the performances of the 18 comics who followed him were tainted by his behavior.
There’s no hypocrisy here. Not sure why “crippled” comics or bringer whores are brought into the mix. Or cheap laughs. The child’s cheap laughs were but one of a host of problems. And we’re not so much annoyed at the cheap laughs as much as we’re horrified at what effect the cheap laughs will have on his “outsized pride and arrogance.” (Indeed, we’re already seeing evidence of the arrogance in his theatrics at the end of The Female Half’s set.)
Why can’t a kid work dirty? Of course there’s a double standard. Let’s hope so. Is it all right for a child to work dirty? Would you say the same thing about a 12- or 13-year-old girl doing jokes about getting a tampon stuck in her vagina or masturbating? And would you expect an audience to be somewhat uncomfortable by such a display? And, were such a performance to go unremarked, would it not cause a bit of dissonance or uneasiness among the audience members for a long time afterward? A child doing lewd material just isn’t cool.
Let’s take this to a mild extreme. Suppose Helium decided that, starting in January, they’ll devote Monday nights to Filthy Tween Night. (“Come watch the dirtiest, most outrageous junior jokesters as they explore the wacky world of wacking off, new urges and first periods!”) What would you think of the people who pony up $15 dollars to watch that? Or of the parents who allow their kids to participate? We can nearly all agree that it would be in extremely poor taste to encourage it. Right?
This is a child. In some states or municipalities, he wouldn’t even be allowed to enter an establishment serving alcohol. And for good reason.
Everyone who comes through the door knows they’ll probably hear adult language, discussion of possibly shocking ideas or opinions that they may disagree with. It’s unacceptable, however, to subject an audience to these ideas and language coming from a child. And letting it go without comment (by the emcee or others) sends a message that it’s somehow acceptable.
Like we said, the damage could have been minimized by an emcee who defuses the situation by subtly or bluntly addressing the shock or horror. But it wasn’t done. There’s a good chance, though, that, in this case, the emcee wasn’t aware of what transpired onstage. So, as it was, the performance lingered. So, it was up to someone to clear the air. This notion that a comic at an open mike night has a right to a rebuttal is ludicrous. We recall one of the finest open mike emcees we ever watched– Clay Heery of the Comedy Factory Outlet. He would often issue the most brutal, off-the-cuff critique of the preceding act. It served to do several important things– 1) It would bring the comic down to earth, center him 2) It would often contain great truth and, therefore, contain valuable advice for the act 3) It would let the audience know that what they had just seen was indeed awful or unprofessional or amateurish or shocking– which is an assurance that an open mike audience frequently needs. No comic is entitled to a rebuttal. Once he’s off, that’s it. Once the next comic mounts the stage, it’s his. Once the emcee returns, it’s his show. No one is entitled to a defense.
And when the offender hangs around, even going so far as to station himself in the default front row with his chin on the table, it’s hard or impossible to “let it go.”
Shecky folks, you’re usually the first people to champion the rights of comedians to say whatever they want to say, but now you’re on the other side of that? Because a kid telling dirty jokes will ruin the audience dynamic?
An adult can tell horribly filthy, dirty, irredeemable jokes and still have you defend their right to tell them, no? Can such an adult not ruin an audience? (Certainly, I’ve seen it done, and I’m sure you have.)
If the father supports the kid being there and the establishment lets him in, then what is the problem? Answer: the problem is probably that the jokes aren’t very good. If they were, this wouldn’t be an issue. But it’s an open mic, where anyone can come and get on stage to do whatever horrible thing they want.
I don’t think your appeal to a sexist double standard holds much water. A little girl has just as much right to talk about whatever she wants to talk about as well.
That is inappropriate to sit right in front when you’re done performing? Agreed. Again though, I’ve seen adult comedians make the same wrong decision. I’ve seen adult comedians heckle or otherwise interact with other acts on the show. It’s wrong for a kid, it’s wrong for an adult, and it has nothing to do with age. It has to do with inexperience, no?
If that kid is writing his own jokes (and I too have seen both sides of this–kids clearly just telling jokes that have been told many times before, vs. kids clearly writing their own original material), then great. Not great that he was rude, not great that he didn’t know how to behave, but any inconsiderate adult could have made similar mistakes. And what should happen? Someone should tell anyone who makes such mistakes that they are mistakes. And what of the mistake of the host not being able to see the show that they are presiding over? Like you said, THAT one factor could have solved most of the problems that arose thereafter.
I wasn’t there. Maybe this kid’s dad pushed him into it (bad). Maybe he’s not writing his own original stuff (bad). And if those things are happening, I’m on your side. But not just because of his age. Plenty of adult aspiring comedians are doing things just as bad, ruining just as many audiences. Are they not? (I submit MORE adult comedians are ruining audiences than children are. But you would normally come to their defense, and the defense of the integrity of stand-up comedy in general, would you not?)
We’re against a kid telling dirty jokes because… it’s wrong.
And it’s creepy.
And a parent letting him do so is creepy.
And anyone who would want to sit and listen to it is creepy.
We didn’t say anything about anyone else on the bill.
We focused on the kid.
We’ll always side with comics– adult comics– to say anything they want.
A kid telling dirty jokes is wrong. A 12-year-old telling dirty jokes is wrong.
The collateral damage is tremendous, and no one– not the other acts, not the audience members– should have to deal with it.
The kid shouldn’t even be allowed in the building.
Letting him up onstage to tell those jokes is creepy.
The end.
Kids know about sex. They think about sex. Especially at the beginning of puberty, so why is it wrong for them to TALK about sex?
In fact, discouraging kids from talking about sex (which smacks of abstinence-only education and the like) is just the sort of thing that leads to misinformation being spread, and negative consequences like more teen pregnancies and greater levels of STI/STDs.
Puberty is the physical process of becoming an adult, coming of age (literally! I’m an adult!). For much of human civilization, this was a sign that children were ready to take on adult duties. One could argue that what is wrong is the fact that today we extend childhood through the college years or longer, in sheer defiance of biology.
You can think it’s creepy, but like I said (and you didn’t dispute), plenty of adult comedians say pretty creepy things, filthy things that you would defend, even though such comedians can turn an audience off just as much if not more than a child could.
You clearly don’t have a problem with creepiness in general.
PS I’m not saying I want to hear kids tell dirty jokes. But with the permission of the kid’s parents and the establishment, I don’t see how it’s any different from the jokes told by adults that I don’t want to hear either, but still defend the telling of, in principle.
Let’s repeat it once more: It’s creepy when a kid does it. Not so when an adult does it.
We would like kids to be kids and adults to be adults.
Kids can talk about sex. To other children. To their parents, in private. In the context of education, perhaps. But onstage, in a comedy club, in front of adult strangers with no connection or obligation to the child, it’s, for lack of a better word, lewd.
It matters not if the child has his parent or parents’ permission.
And the connection of this issue to STD’s is ludicrous.
Sorry to make the ridiculous connection between the topic of sex and sexually transmitted diseases.
I get it–YOU find kids talking about sex creepy and objectionable. Some people find ANYONE talking about sex creepy and objectionable. Others can disagree with either of you. (And if they’re parents, then they can raise their kids as creepily as the law allows.)
PS Using other words for “creepy” and “wrong” like “lewd” or “obscene” or “vulgar” doesn’t hold much sway as an argument.
Actually, using different words with subtly different meanings is one way of driving home a point.
You made a ridiculous connection not between “sex” and “sexually transmitted disease,” but between our objection to a child talking about this cock in a roomful of strangers and the effects of public school sex education programs and their effect on the incidence of sexually transmitted diseases among a certain segment of the population.
The first is not ridiculous. The other is.
PS: Falsely re-stating your argument (or your opponent’s) doesn’t hold much sway as an argument.
PPS: Some people can find ANYONE talking about sex creepy and objectionable. Bringing those people up in this argument (as a transparent attempt to link them to us) doesn’t hold much sway as an argument.
PPPS: WE do not find kids talking about sex creepy and objectionable. We quite clearly limit our revulsion to kids talking about sex in the context of a comedy club, in front of a roomful of strangers, for the purpose of entertainment. Simplifying our argument to the point of absurdity doesn’t hold much sway as an argument.
PPPPS: Bringing up the legal rights of parents– when the legality of the situation was never mentioned– doesn’t hold much sway as an argument.
Let’s separate the different issues.
1. Comic who happens to be a kid behaving inappropriately in a comedy club (sitting upfront, talking back to comics on stage, etc.).
— It’s WRONG, but not age-related except maybe if he were older he’d be more mature and realize it’s wrong. But that’s really experience as much as age.
Do we all agree on this?
2. Kid IN a comedy club at an open-mike, listening to dirty stuff from other comics.
–We probably agree that it’s Wrong but probably not as bad as dad beating the kid or riding without seat belts, so can we agree that it’s the father’s responsibility to determine what’s best for his child? And that comics shouldn’t let this inhibit what they want to talk about on stage, because it’s dad’s (and the club’s) issue? That Open-mike means OPEN?
3. Kid on stage telling dirty jokes, topics that some people think are inappropriate for a kid to talk about.
Two issues here, one relating to the kid, the other to the audience.
So- kid should not be telling dirty jokes because it’s bad for him? I say that’s dad’s issue and that dad’s decided it’s okay. And maybe the kid will learn that audiences don’t appreciate it, so he starts writing clean jokes? If so, good for him. If not, he’ll go back to telling dirty jokes to his friends.
It’s bad for the audience? Okay, it’s creepy, but it’s an open-mike. You may have to sit through all sorts of crap. Substitute ‘gay’ for ‘kid’ and there will be people who think it’s inappropriate (though probably not the same people). It’s still an open-mike.
4. The kid took a spot that could’ve gone to someone you think is more deserving of the spot.
Well, that’s the club’s decision, how they allocate spots. Here in NY sometimes it’s random and in advance, sometimes it’s by favoritism, sometimes it’s whoever got there first, sometimes it’s random on the spot. And sometimes spots go to people who are just there to get attention and have no actual interest in a comedy career. It’s too bad, but it’s up to whoever’s in charge to decide what the rules are. If you don’t like the rules, try to change them, or go elsewhere.
What do I personally think of a kid telling dirty jokes? It’s possibly less creepy than old people telling dirty jokes. I’d prefer not to listen to either. I also don’t want to listen to all sorts of other things, but that’s the price of sitting through an open-mike.
It’s dad’s decision, so it’s okay? Just wanna make sure we have that right. We’re pretty sure there are some folks who would disagree with that. They usually work in Child Services, Family Court and the Police Department. Not that this father’s decision rises to the level of an offense that would attract (or even deserve) the attention of any of those public servants, but just stop and think about that for a bit. We’ll give you a chance to take it back.
A 12 year old, standing on a stage in a roomful of strangers, talking about his cock just might be bad for him. And, if encouraged, it might be bad for society in general, for the people present. The kid is a tool in this entire enterprise. A tool, an innocent player in this creepy charade. We don’t know (and, honestly, we don’t care) whether the kid wants to do it. We don’t (and we don’t care) if dad said it’s okay. (In this case, we think dad’s wrong.) Because… Say it with us: It’s creepy. We’ll repeat that: It’s creepy. It’s… not right. It’s lascivious for a child to talk about intimate matters in front of a roomful of adult strangers. We shouldn’t allow it. It’s creepy. No good can come of it.
Once again: It’s creepy.
We never said we had a problem with adults telling dirty jokes.
We quite clearly isolated the problem to a child telling dirty jokes.
Because it’s creepy.
We’re not interested in the kid’s creative growth or whether or not he’ll learn from his experience and start (or not start) writing clean material.
We are interested in preventing an audience from being subjected to the spectacle. We’re not quite sure what is so difficult to understand about this.
All the other issues– a more deserving comic missing the spot, the rude behavior, etc.– were covered in the initial post. But, in the ensuing comments, we were forced to explore the salacious nature of the whole affair. (Prior to that, we expected– quite wrongly, it appears– that the inappropriateness was quite clear… and that defending dad was an exercise that few would have the audacity– or the spectacular obtuseness– to attempt. As we said, we were wrong.)
One might have to sit through all sorts of unfunny, “dirty,” provocative material at an open mike. But, if that material is delivered by adults, we have no problem, nor should anyone else. They’re adults. We’re adults. Of course, we hope an honest attempt is made at being funny.
We can register our distaste, however, for that which is clearly inappropriate. We’re reasonable people. To attempt to cast us in a bad light– as “prudes”, perhaps, or as people who unreasonably seek to apply the same standards to adults in similar venues or contexts– is to miss the very sharp, very clear point: There are certain things we can all agree on regarding the behavior of children. And we can all agree on them without fearing that the rights and freedom of adults will be infringed upon.
We will pound away at anyone who complains about content at an adult show, performed by adults. That much is probably clear from anyone who has read the magazine for eleven years. There should be no confusion as to our stance regarding those freedoms. Anyone who brings that up in this discussion is unnecessarily clouding the issue.
This is all about a child doing something that is inappropriate. It’s creepy. And a comedy club should do all it can to avoid it.
Okay, I think it’s a sucky way to raise a child, in a long list of sucky ways to raise children (and I said so) but we give parents a lot of latitude in child-raising in this country. We agree- it’s bad but not as bad as some other stuff parents do. Child Services is not gonna take the kid away for telling dirty jokes nor for sitting through dirty jokes told by others.
I’m neither a parent nor an expert in raising kids so I’ll leave it up to the experts to say how bad it is. I also don’t know the kid in question but I do know that 12 year olds today are exposed to more stuff than we were when we were 12.
As far as what the audience is exposed to? At an open-mike? All sorts of creepy crap. Stuff I don’t even want to think about, let alone type about here.
I didn’t call anyone a prude, but I think that in saying that I find a lot of dirty jokes creepy, I’m putting myself on the prudish side of this discussion.
Should the comedy club stop a kid from telling dirty jokes? I think more to the point they shouldn’t let the kid sit through a show full of dirty jokes told by adults.
Do I think that both the father and club are wrong? Sure. But I’m neither the father nor the club.
Hello Brian and Traci! I was down the shore the week this happened, I’m disappointed to have missed it. I have seen the kid and his family at shows, so I do know who you’re talking about.
I think the reason people are put off by this whole thing has less to do with the kid and his vulgarity and more to do with how these people comport themselves. They are new to the scene and, instead of treading lightly and trying not to cause a stir like most decent people, they call attention to themselves. They have a vulgar kid, they sit in the front row with a preteen, they mess with other people’s sets, etc. They sat him in the front row for the host audition show at Helium. Most people would assume having a wee nestling four feet away from the performers is a bit of a distraction during an audition, and would(correctly) refrain from doing so. How are you supposed to go about your telling your fisting jokes when you have the lamb-like eyes of this lil’ scamp trained on you from an arm’s length? Even if they don’t give a shit about scarring their progeny, basic human decency will probably give you at least a moment’s pause; some imperceptible ethical twitching which could do serious harm to your whole on-stage demeanor. (Should a prospective host be ready to deal with any situation? I guess, but if that’s the standard, why not stock the test audience with drunk attention whores and guys who want to beat his ass for making light of their affliction shirts?)
I think the vibe they give off is the same as the first time open miker who has an “agent” or the facebook newsfeed rapist who has to repost hourly that they’ll be performing at a bowling alley on Christmas Day and everyone should come see them; they come off as assholes, and that makes everything else seem worse. Maybe they are assholes, maybe they’re not. I honestly don’t know, but the perception definitely hurts any attempt at legitimacy.
Also, kids are like old people, they suck at everything.
OK, it’s generally agreed that this was an ugly situation and yes, the green room at Helium is isolated from the stage but there is the “red light master” who should be monitoring what is going on and would have had the ability to pull the plug on this train wreck. But oft times open mikes are indeed just that -train wrecks.
There were bad decisions going on all over the place here – once again art resembles life.
Comedy is subjective (duh) and should be appropriate to the venue.
I bet this kid kills on the school yard in front of “his” audience, just not out in public.