We got your bone right here
Predictably, we’re getting a lot of comments on our posting on the final episode of LCS. In rare cases, we find it interesting to bring a comment “topside.”
Unidentified weasel “HT” commented:
Read coverage of LCS before and after the halves were thrown a bone. The tone is remarkably different.
To which we replied:
Our tone is remarkably different?” Perhaps our tone is different because the show is different. Perhaps our tone is different because the comedians weren’t forced to perform in a laundromat. Perhaps our tone is different because the comedians weren’t dressed up as jesters and made to perform at a Renaissance fair. Perhaps our tone is different because the producers vowed to treat the comics with respect and highlight the performance of standup comedy rather than set up situations where the comedians heckle their colleagues or wash a car or are transported on a short, yellow bus.
How’s this for a remarkably different tone? Go fuck yourself.
The implication is that we trashed the show in seasons past and that, now that we’ve been “thrown a bone,” we’re all sweetness and light when we post about the show.
Our short answer is above.
Our long answer is that HT displays a stunning lack of reading comprehension. Our analysis of the show started in earnest with the second season. We said very little about season one. We took a dim view of the show, mainly because we were skeptical that a primetime reality show (which was, keep in mind, a relatively new phenomenon back then) was the proper way to present standup comedy. It was long time ago (June of 2003) and our focus at the time was on news coverage of standup, standup news and columns.
We hadn’t yet formally switched to a “blog” format until June of 2004. In fact, our decision to switch to a blog, using Blogger technology, was driven by our growing interest in analysis and commentary– specifically, our desire to “live blog” Last Comic Standing‘s second season. And our desire to live blog LCS was driven by the fact that it had become a phenomenon and that Season Two featured one of our columnists, Bonnie McFarlane.
Our coverage of seasons two through six were brutal. We did not hold back. There was a lot to loathe and we went into it in great detail. And when there was something that was praiseworthy, we pointed that out as well. Why, we ask, would anyone read that coverage and “throw us a bone?” In fact, there was every reason to lock us out of the process in perpetuity because: 1. There was no reason for anyone to believe that our negative coverage was motivated by bitterness over not being included in the show or 2. There was no reason to believe that our positive comments on the show was an attempt by us to curry favor with the producers (otherwise, we would have merely praised the show and spared it our scorn), so 3. Our inclusion in the show might be seen by the producers as a gamble that was nowhere near worth taking and that 4. Our participation in the show might be seen by us as a gamble nowhere near worth taking, as we could have been portrayed as unprofessional or worse, or that our credibility might be damaged beyond repair.
In addition to dismal reading comprehension, HT betrays an unhealthy suspicion of our motives. We have always tried to be honest and above-board about what we think and why we think it. Those are the rules in the brave new world of journalism (in the era of the WWW). People who blog– and who blog honestly– know that they must get out in front of any conflict and lay it all out on the table. Which is what we endeavor to do with each and every adventure. LCS was no different.
And our coverage of this season (the season that we appeared on!) was, in many ways, just as critical as that of previous seasons. And, like we said, our tone may have been somewhat modulated by the fact that the show actually has made improvements. Regardless of our participation in the show, we would have followed our previous policy of praising it when praise was due and savaging it when the show made missteps. But we were on the show! Which must make our negative comments on this season’s show all that much more counterintuitive. Were we “thrown a bone,” our comments would have been uniformly upbeat and positive, with nary a cross word.
It’s incomprehensible that anyone could read our first-person account of our experience with LCS and conclude that we were “thrown a bone.” We had no special treatment– our auditions, at 11 in the morning, were just like all the dozens (hundreds?) of others that took place that week (and in previous weeks) in New York and Hollywood. The grueling 11-hour day was the same for every comic who made it into the evening showcase. And, the three-day taping in Glendale was an arduous gauntlet of interviews, strategy, tactics, plotting and performing. Which is not to complain. But, from our perspective, it doesn’t resemble being “thrown a bone.”
Bone-throwing implies that the reward is a token, and/or that it’s undeserved or that the intentions of the giver are less than honest or that there might exist a quid pro quo. It implies appeasement. If giving two comics– each with a quarter-century of stage experience in a variety of venues (Clubs, colleges, casinos, television, radio, etc.) — an audition for a television show is “throwing them a bone,” then either the commenter is unfamiliar with the meaning of the phrase or he is, like we said, suspicious of the motives of not just us, but of all those involved. We suspect it’s the latter. Which is why we say, “Go fuck yourself.”
While we’re talking about comments, we recommend the comments under a previous post in which LCS Finalist Laurie Kilmartin defends herself and the LCS process against rather thin criticism from one of our readers.
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Reply to: We got your bone right here
Againm you mention everything but still can’t get around or gloss over the fact that BARRY KATZ, THE EXEC PRODUCER’S CLIENT WON. And I welcome everyone to read my exchange with the talented Laurie Kilmartin. I stand by it.
Again, we have already mentioned it on several occasions. And we’ve analyzed it and we’ve gone into the implications in great detail. To say that we’ve “glossed over the fact,” is a gross mischaracterization. And to imply, as you did in a different comment that we “don’t get it,” is false. We would submit that anyone who reads our analysis of LCS Season 7 and makes such comments is the one who is not getting it. We know what has transpired. We just disagree on whether or not it was the Crime of the Century or, indeed, if it is a crime at all.
Okay, you’re right. I submit. The management client of the executive producer just happens to make it all the way and win $250,000 and a development deal with NBC in a contest that’s not actually a contest where the producers can change the rules at any time in any way. No problem, Brian. And when you come to NY, I have a bridge to sell you.
First: It’s not just Brian you’re discussing this with– the magazine is co-written by two people, Brian and Traci.
Second: We’ve outlined how we feel about all this in the course of numerous posts. If you can’t understand what we’ve written, and if you insist on merely re-expressing your outrage, then I guess that we are at an impasse.
Third: That line about selling us a bridge– that’s good! Did you write that? You should use that when you audition for LCS next year.
We’re done.
No, I didn’t write it. Barry Katz stole it and gave it to me.
Okay, all arguments about the show’s legitimacy aside, that was funny.
Well, kudos for publishing my comment, but rude-os for the f-bomb and calling me a “weasel.” If you are going to refer to what you do here as “journalism” you should probably temper yourselves. While two halves make a whole, it’s not necessary to be an asshole.
One example regarding your change in tone–refer back to January 21, 2006 posting:
“Did they say casting? Hmmm… This is troubling. The use of the word “casting” is troubling.”
From June 2, 2006 you wrote:
“Go back and read our 2004 coverage of LCS. And then read our 2005 coverage. We’ve made plenty of snarky comments about Barry. (In fact, we made reference to the dysfunctional relationship between Katz and NBC in our January 20, 2006 post, when the network first announced the show’s plans for “casting” Season IV.So, this isn’t something we’re ignoring.(In fact, we were just kicking this very subject around this morning. We speculated that somehow, the producers of LCS have found a way around all those arcane network rules that the FCC created way back during the game show scandal. Otherwise, there’d be another scandal!)We’re well aware of the incestuous relationship, as are our readers. And our readers are aware that we’re aware.”
While you may question my reading comprehension, compare these two examples to your more recent comments to Johnny Lampert.
Sincerely,
Honky Thong
HT:
Firstly: We only jokingly refer to what we do as journalism. We’ve gone into this repeatedly. We call ourselves “New New Journalists.” (A reference to New Journalism, a genre that arose 50 years ago and made miserable the lives of J-school students in the 70s.) We’re a parody of journalism. We also call ourselves “pseudo-journalists.” And we regularly joke about how the Male Half had to take History of Journalism three times before passing it. And how he also failed Journalism Law more than once. So… self-deprecation is the rule here. And our readers know this. However, we do our best to adhere to basic principles of journalism. But what we do here is a hybrid of opinion and journalism, so calling an anonymous assailant a weasel is not out of line, nor is using the word “fuck.” It might not be “necessary” to be an asshole, we have permission. So we take it.
And, we might remind all that we are comedians first and foremost.
Second: Anyone who criticizes us anonymously (or who uses a “handle”), we call him/her a weasel. And, if your anonymous criticism had been directed at anyone else beside us, we would not have run it at all.
We run our color headshots and our names and our bios right next to our opinions and we expect those who hold strong opinions to at least provide a real name.
Third: You’re flinching at “fuck?” We’ve spilled tens of thousands of words on LCS. We’ve been scrupulously honest about everything we’ve written. We had a bitch of a time writing about it until the July 5 episode aired– due to the strictures of the non-disclosure agreement we signed– yet we still analyzed as best we could. (We might just as easily have let this season go uncommented upon.)
Then you come along and imply that there was something hinky going on, that we were bought off or our coverage changed because of our appearance on the show. Of course we’re going to tell you to go fuck yourself.
Was our coverage of the show different this year? Yes. But, as we are growing weary of reminding everyone, the show itself has changed. We only auditioned for the show because we were certain that the show would be significantly different in tone and in aim. And we found the show to be significantly different in tone and in aim. Our analysis, our coverage, reflects those changes.
You select slivers of a previous season’s coverage (“Did they say casting? Hmmm… This is troubling. The use of the word “casting” is troubling.”) But neglect to say that we were writing that in reference to an NBC press release that used the word (the first word in the press release!) “casting.” (Also: our very next word is “Anyway…” Apparently, we weren’t that shook up about it.) But we did think that NBC goofed up– while the producers of the show were going to great lengths to tell everyone that it wasn’t cast, here’s the network kicking off a press release with the dread “C-word!” Thus our labeling of the use of the word “troubling.”
The second excerpt involves Barry Katz’ involvement in the show. To you, it somehow contradicts our statements to Johnny Lampert. To us, it spells out how we weren’t exactly shying away or “glossing over” the relationship of Katz and NBC and the show. Note that we end with, “We’re well aware of the incestuous relationship, as are our readers. And our readers are aware that we’re aware.”
So… what we’re saying (to Lampert and to others who are being obtuse) is that we’re all adults, we’re all in show business and that you should all know what you’re getting into.
Lampert is behaving as if this is all some sort of fresh scandal and that those who participate are hopeless dullards or cynical sharks who have sold out.
Apparently it’s all legal. And, if you’ve read our magazine, you’re aware of that. And, if you audition and sign the release, you’re all right with it.
We aren’t seeing how our previous analysis is inconsistent with our most recent coverage.
And, if this were truly as crooked as Lampert claims, all 7 winners from past seasons would be managed by Barry Katz, all 70 finalists throughout the show’s run would be managed by Barry Katz and all 200 or so semifinalists would all have been signed to Barry Katz. This clearly has not been the case.
So does Barry get his xx% of the quarter million?
Hmmm, that’s “Fuck-worthy”.
That’s a great point, James. I don’t think it matters if all 70 finalists throughout the show’s run were not managed by Barry Katz. The fact is one of the winners (of the largest prize to date) was. For appearance’s sake if nothing else, none of his clients should have been allowed to perform. It taints the whole process. Not that this is politics, but the principle remains: you should not only avoid conflict of interest; you should avoid the *appearance* of conflict of interest.
If, as “Lesa” maintains, Felipe wasn’t signed by Barry until after he won, then there is not much in the way of impropriety.
But, since the show is in its seventh season and that it’s been common knowledge that Barry Katz is a producer of the show (it’s in the credits), we’re not sure where all this fresh indignation is coming from. The “whole process” isn’t exactly pure, but to be pointing out that it might be tainted now (and to cite it a reason for avoiding the show, and to cite one’s avoidance of the show as proof of one’s purity) is a bit disingenuous.
We knew about all these dealings since season one. Our readers did, too. And, as we keep pointing out, it’s not some fresh controversy. And, as we also pointed out, we haven’t “glossed over” the fact– in this season or in past seasons.