It’s just not our thing, man
A reader writes:
What about a section… a toolbox if you will… for beginning stand-up comics such as myself? Maybe Q/A with professional comics to help in guiding the evolution of comedy? It could even develop into mentorships and eventually opportunities that could transform into established careers later down the road.
An excellent suggestion, reader! But… since we started pounding out this crazy website 12 years ago, we have studiously avoided giving advice to young ‘uns. We took a different approach– and that approach has changed over the years– of interviewing experienced comics and letting the beginners infer from the interviewee’s answers various nuggets of information and multiple strategies and tactics. Then we evolved into posting about stories about standup that we found on the internet and letting the aspiring comic take from that knowledge about the industry and about standup’s place in the pop culture. And occasionally, we’d post about events (like the Just For Laughs festival) and we’d afford the newbie an unprecedented window into an extremely important comedy biz ritual. And all along the way, we’ve taken to grousing about our own situations, or exalting about our minor triumphs here and there, or relating our occasional epiphanies, and letting our readers tell us exactly where we had our heads firmly planted. We’ve tried to challenge prevalent assumptions (or the so-called Conventional Wisdom) and invited our readers to draw their own conclusions.
We’ve always known that the opportunity has always been out there for someone else to fill the niche you speak of. But we preferred to tap the resource that was experienced comedian. Not only did they have a lot of knowledge and perspective, but the ones we chose to talk about were frequently engaged in a career change or a lefthand turn. They may have been in the biz for a while, but they were willing to apply their skills and knowledge to some quirky venture or some exploration of a newly discovered skill set.
We’re not surprised at all that our book (due out Oct. 1 and now available on Amazon.com for pre-order!) turned out to be an extremely laid-back affair that urged readers to find their own way. We encourage the aspiring comic to take in advice and data and information, and craft his/her very own path to comedy competence and fulfillment. While we may be opinionated, we are always careful not to push a comic too hard in one direction or another, lest we inadvertently deprive the comedy world of an innovator. And the same goes for the magazine.
We liken our magazine to an evening spent in a booth at a diner, eavesdropping (or sitting very quietly) while the headliner and the feature acts talk, celebrate and commiserate. As newcomers, we experienced quite a few nights like that… and we found them to be profoundly satisfying. The information we absorbed on those sessions was invaluable. They were like a wormhole, a shortcut; and way more efficient and gritty than a seminar or a comedy class (although some of those have their good points). Of course, later on, we found some of the information to be suspect. But figuring out who is credible and who isn’t is all part of the process, too.
And, of course, there’s the very practical matter of man-hours. Putting together such a “toolbox” is a nightmarish task and one that we don’t have the energy or the inclination to undertake. And those mentorships you allude to are happening all the time without our help and without the use of such fancy technology as the WWW or Facebook.
Your suggestions are appreciated. And we invite you to swim around in the deep, dark recesses of our site, especially the early days from 1999 to 2004 (much of which can only be accessed via the Wayback Machine!) and we are sure you’ll find plenty of ” professional comics… guiding the evolution of comedy.”
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Reply to: It’s just not our thing, man
After trying several times to help organize and provide support to our local developing comic community, I finally gave up. I can’t imagine it’s unique to my town that comics seem like hummingbirds, unable to flock in any meaningful and mutually-beneficial way. If your reader is so motivated, then more power to him, and I hope he is wildly successful. If he is, it’ll because he’s slogged through on his own, I’d bet.
What you perceive as “hummingbird” behavior strikes us as fiercely independent behavior. Let’s face it: This is a solitary pursuit. And we’re not so sure that individual comedians are hurt in their early development by being isolated. But there comes a time when a bit of cooperation and sharing and networking can be a good thing.
But we caution comics to choose who they network with carefully. And we also caution against “groupthink.” Clumping together with other comics might result in unwanted pressure to think one way or another.
Organizing and developing a comic community sounds all good, but sometimes it just isn’t meant to be.
Way back when (in 1987 or so, before the WWW!), we contemplated cranking out an anonymous, photocopied newsletter, to be distributed through the PHL comedy community, that would have been bulging with information and business info related to the standup scene. We didn’t for a second dream of asking anyone to mentor us. We were ornery and we were convinced that we could do it on our own… and better than anyone before us had done it. We abandoned the idea when we moved to L.A. But we would have modeled it after pamphleteers of old and the anonymity part would have been necessary (or so we thought). 12 years later, we put up a magazine on the internet and attached our names to it. We didn’t care if anyone flocked in any meaningful way. But we did hope that our messages got through and we trusted all to make of them what they would. We’re not so sure that a toolbox is a good thing. In some ways, it would be helpful, but in many other ways, it might be death to the art. Like we said, we take a “hands-off” approach. Most of the time. And we are of the opinion that comics are still ornery and still convinced that they can do it on their own… and better than anyone before us had done it. (And, really, where’s the harm? It is best to let comics make mistakes– at least in the early going.)
I have cyber-stalked SheckyMagazine.com (and other online resources) for years, and I thoroughly appreciate the information you provide and the way you provide it.
Opinionated, yes. Spoon-feeding, no. It’s an approach that respects your audience’s intelligence while still providing clues and references to places where further answers reside. Good on ya.
Answers are hard to come by in the early stages, but one of the best answers to many questions is to try things yourself and learn from the results. No pat answer will provide you with better learning materials than that.
Looking forward to reading your book!
Tom Bickle