A conversation between two morons
Writing about hecklers is nothing new. And attempting to group them into types is something that The Female Half of the Staff did in a column, “Heckler Alert,” nearly a decade ago. (And that column made it into our book, “The Comedy Bible: The Complete Resource for Aspiring Comedians,” and forms the bulk of our eight-page breakdown of hecklers on pages 102-109.)
We took a practical, pragmatic approach in explaining heckling and hecklers. We knew that heckling was something that happened (though not as frequently as some believe) and that if the comedian understood the motivation behind most heckling, he/she could better deal with it.
One thing we didn’t do was venerate the heckler.
Which brings us to “A field guide to hecklers,” a chirpy, vacuous and ultimately worthless back-and-forth from the Chicago Tribune’s Nina Metz and Chris Borrelli in which they “see if there might be a valid argument on behalf of those of us who are (gasp!) in favor of heckling.”
You read that right. They allow for the idea that there might be a valid argument in favor of heckling. Jacques Deridda’s work is done. We now have what we assume to be two college-educated 20-somethings– writing for a newspaper that has been in some sort of bankruptcy hell since 2008– and their idea of a provocative and entertaining article is to speculate on whether or not interrupting a performance by a professional entertainer might be something that has merit.
As Metz explains it, heckling– for an audience member– “works as a litmus test.” Huh? She elaborates: “The comic who turns hostile isn’t working at the top of their game. (And, we daresay, the journalist who cranks out that sentence isn’t working at the top of her game, either.) As proof, Michael Richards’ infamous Laugh Factory outburst is cited. Yawn. She continues: “But if they can zing back with a really sharp retort– but funny, it has to be funny!– they have my respect for life.”
Which is just what we want– the lifelong respect of this total idiot.
Metz continues:
My favorite flavor of heckler, though, is what I call the Productive Heckler, who’s there to keep the comedian honest. Last summer, during the Just for Laughs festival, I caught a show from Chris D’Elia, who co-stars on the NBC sitcom “Whitney.” D’Elia likes to do crowd work, which makes him even more susceptible to those with heckling tendencies. (Actually, it makes him less susceptible! But we don’t have the time to go into Comedy 101. — Editors) He began a joke with this setup: “Why is it so hard to get girls?” This from a good-looking guy on a TV show. All I could think was, “Yeah, right, you have trouble scoring attention.” And, happily, an audience member (female, though does that matter?) voiced the same thought with a one-word response: “Bull—-.” The audience kept D’Elia honest. He was forced to stop and explain why, even for a guy in his semifamous position, it’s not easy to meet noncelebrity-obsessed women. I love Productive Hecklers.
You know what, Nina Metz? Fuck you. And fuck your “favorite flavor of heckler.” And, while we’re at it, fuck your stupid fucking concept of “keep(ing) the comedian honest.” It’s not up to you or some asshole in the audience to keep the comedian honest. It’s not up to you or your favorite flavor of douchebag to keep anything honest. You pay your money, you watch the show, you laugh or you don’t. You stay or you go. Calling bullshit during the performance doesn’t keep the comic honest. It disrupts the show and it’s stupid and rude.
Nitwit # 2 chimes in:
It also sounds like a genuinely interesting moment of revelation, albeit one that was forced on the entertainer. We are now listening to someone say something they genuinely hadn’t intended.
The tsunami of dumb in those two sentences threatens to cause an immense amount of intellectual damage.
Musicians are viewed as artists with integrity who “don’t take requests.” When a musician states that as his policy, we are generally sympathetic and we understand that he has an agenda (called a set list) and that it’s up to him to take us on the trip he has planned. Why are comedians viewed as puppets that audience members can manipulate? Why, when an audience member attempts such manipulation, is it viewed as “a genuine moment of revelation?”
What arrogance!
We hate to sound like Grandpa and Grandma Comedy, but these two are self-centered, perpetually immature goofs who think that the world revolves around them. And that we are there to serve them. It’s all about Nina and Chris and they have a much better idea about how Chris D’Elia and Zach Galafianakis and the rest of us should respond when some equally narcissistic asshat ejaculates in the middle of one of our well-crafted sets.
Borrelli says:
On the other hand, as someone who wants an event to be memorable, yes, I’m pro-heckling. Who isn’t? I have seen countless comedians and forgotten most of them. But I remember each and every time I have witnessed a performer get into it with an obnoxious audience.
We remember shows where we have gotten heckled. And, we suppose, some audience members remember a show where there was an interesting exchange between a performer and a patron. But we mainly like to remember shows where we smoothly and precisely maneuver through a set and we remember the feeling of competently manipulating an audience into the exact state we want them to be in throughout the entirety of a 50-minute set. And we are certain that those audiences were aware that they were witnessing comedy at its finest and that they recall those performances fondly. Only a boorish egotist like this would encourage boorish behavior so that he might have a “memorable” experience.
When a couple of feeble-minded pop-culture magpies at a major, big-city daily even hint that heckling might, in some instances, be “comedy helper,” we cringe.
Says Metz:
As journalists and critics, we’re trained to stand and back observe (sic), so I don’t think it’s ever occurred to me to heckle. But I am always secretly thrilled (and nervous!) when someone else does it.
So, what we have here is someone who hides behind her supposed ethics when explaining why she doesn’t dare heckle… but who is “thrilled” when someone else does the heckling for her. She’s an odious combination of a coward on a power trip. “All right, everyone– *Clap-clap*– do my bidding! Heckler– spice things up a bit, as they are in need of some sort of edge! Comedy Boy– Respond in an edgy fashion, so that my boredom does not overtake me! You there, eunuch– bring me my goblet!” Get a load of Caligula over here!
What is wildly amusing about Metz’ orgasm over the “Productive Heckler” who “keeps the comedian honest,” is that half (if not more) of those honest moments she’s witnessed were probably just as contrived and locked down as the rest of that evening’s set. (She probably thinks that her favorite comedians who “riff off the top of their heads and bring us on an intoxicating, exhilarating improvisational ride,” are probably about as spontaneous as the flight attendant explaining the safety procedures of the Boeing 757-300 series aircraft. She probably thinks that reality television is “real.”) We hate to burst your bubble, Nina, but most of us have been at this comedy thing for so long that nothing surprises us. Not only that, but the “Productive Heckler” rarely ever says anything we haven’t heard before. We remember such putdowns and we save them in a file (real or virtual) so that we might use them again. (And, believe us, it will happen again– audience members are about as imaginative as big-city journalists.) So those “interesting moments of revelation” are most likely recreations of similar incidents that happened weeks or months or years before. (We just happen to be able to make it look spontaneous… and simpletons like Nina and Chris fall for it.)
On page 109 of our book, under the heading of “Common denominator,” we say:
Some hecklers may be hard to identify or categorize. But there is undoubtedly one thing they have in common. After the show, they will come up to you and say, “I helped the show!” No… you did not.
This article is nothing more than a pre-emptive version of the inebriated hosebag who comes up to the comic after the show and proudly seeks approval for his sparkling contribution to the evening’s proceedings. We have to break it to you, kids– you did not help the show.
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Reply to: A conversation between two morons
These fools are missing the point. The fact that stand-up appears to be a casual conversation is part of the craft. That does not make it any less of a calculated performance than a ballerina or a rock star. It is as rude to offer unsolicited feedback to a comedian as it would be to harmonize loudly with the opera. They took the time and paid their dues to be the ones the paying audience is listening to.
When you go to a concert and the singer holds the mike out to the audience, he’s inviting you to sing along. Otherwise you let him do the singing. Some comics invite audience participation. But, like some singers, some comics may chose not to turn that mike outward. That means all the entertainment will come from the stage. Since that’s where the lights are pointed anyway, it just makes sense.
I was in Toronto once, and I went to a comedy club to be entertained by comedians. I paid my ten dollars, sat down, watched a cavalcade of open-mikers (most of them utter train wrecks…though one so outstanding I can remember his name: Nate Macintosh), and then the headliner bounded onto the stage: Simon Rakoff…
Simon delivered thirty minutes of hilarious, professional stand-up comedy. I asked myself: “Why have I never heard of this guy?”–and Simon himself alluded drolly to his lack of fame. He made the ten-dollar entrance fee worth it. He delivered the value. He was so polished compared to the open-mikers, that it was almost like I was witnessing a separate art form…
And yet…Simon was heckled. While he was doing a (very funny) bit on gender, a nasal female voice started sarcastically calling out from the audience: “FUN-NY MAAAAAAAN!”
The heckler would say those two words, Simon would continue on with the bit…then she would say them again. Simon never addressed her, although I was sure he had to have heard her (the room was pretty small)…
From my vantage, he didn’t let it affect him onstage…but sitting in the audience it affected ME. It detracted. It in no way helped the show. It interrupted my flow of concentration, so that a joke could not be built into a crescendo–every time her trap opened, my mind was rebooted and I was thinking about her, this cunt who was ruining the experience…
If some non-performers think heckling can be a boon to a comedy show, it’s hard to see it from their perspective–and to outright sanction it is insane. If some *comedians* think heckling is a necessary evil that toughens a performer’s hide, I can kinda see that. (I can also see how a crowd-work comedian might open the door to the heckler who thinks he’s “helping,” thinks he’s part of the show…)
But when I’ve paid to watch a show, the implicit assumption on my part–and maybe I’m off base here–is that I’ve done so in order to hear the comedian’s voice…and no one else’s. I didn’t pay to hear the heckler. I wanted her to shut up immediately. I wanted her to be kicked out immediately. Neither happened. Simon eventually moved on to other topics, and she quit heckling–of her *own* accord…
(A couple days later, I went to see a Second City show. All sketches, no pure stand-up. Nice venue, drinks, food, well-heeled audience, etc. There was a heckler right behind me. I couldn’t believe it. He repeatedly screamed “LOSER!” at the stage during a sketch about a man being rejected by a woman. I kept waiting for the staff to at least talk to him–tell him to please be quiet–and it never happened. He was encouraged by this non-interference, evidently, and would then periodically shout more stupid, retarded, dum-dum abuse at the actors. Every time a few quiet minutes passed, you’d think he’d finally decided to shut up for good…and then–BOOM!–another heckle. It ruined the show…instead of focusing on the performers–who were working damned hard–everyone around the heckler, everyone who’d paid good money for their tickets, was uncomfortable, was unable to enjoy the show…)
I loved one line I heard a comedian tell a heckler: “You know, they used to put microphones on the table…but that didn’t work.”
Wow. Morons is right. “Keeping comedians honest?” That’s ridiculous. Standup comedy is a performance, not a conversation. Maybe those idiot writers should look up the definition of a heckler: “one who tries to embarrass and annoy.” In other words, a prick.
How about those writers go up and read their “writing” aloud, sentence by sentence, and invite some heckling in their direction? You know, to keep them “honest.” What total douchebags.
Here’s one writer who gets it:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carol-hartsell/sorry-hecklers-you-are-ruining-it-for-everyone_b_2426805.html
I remember years ago going to see Judy Gold. Im a huge fan. A guy in the audience and her went at it for about 20 minutes. I had a good time but was very disappointed that I never got to see Judy in full form. I saw the Judy having to deal with an asshole show. I am a comedian and I can say that nothing can throw a comedian off more than a heckler. The best clubs do not allow it and someone without a neck will quickly come up to you and ask you to quiet down or continue your night on the sidewalk. I was doing a fundraiser and a woman in the front row kept interrupting me. I tried to ignore her. I joked a bit with her but she would not stop. Rather than really lace into her I just asked her to please stop that I would not continue till she stopped disrupting the show. She said Im helping you! The audience boo’ed her. She left the room. After the show she found me and tried to ball me out for embarrassing her. It is truly a no win situation for a comedian. A few years back Last Comic Standing did a heckling segment and the comedy community was outraged that they would promote the behavior. All I can say is a heckler lost me $5000 in a contest many years ago. It was the night of the finals and all during my set he sat in the front row and kept talking to me and saying Yes yes, its true, tell them, I know that, I could tell you a story. He was asked to leave and the entire room came to a stop. So much for helping.