Kids? Kids? Since when is standup for kids?
There is an interesting interview with comedian Teresa Roberts Logan in the Daily Press (Hampton Roads, VA). In it, she tells of the path she took from artist-writer for Hallmark to clean comedian in southern Virginia.
Her Hallmark gig sometimes required her to produce orientation presentations for new artists and writers.
Afterward, a guy from the humor writing department asked if I’d ever thought about doing standup. I said, “Once, when I was in the seventh grade or so.” He said I should try it, so I ended up at an open mic night doing my little three minutes. That’s how I got into it, and I started getting enough work that it was hard to work at Hallmark and do comedy, too, when you’re out working until 2 a.m. So after about a year, I had to make a tough decision– it really was tough — and I quit my job at Hallmark.
The 46-year-old comedian has found success in mainstream as well as Christian comedy (she’s a featured comic on the Warner Bros. Christian comedy DVD “Thou Shalt Laugh.”) and she produces clean comedy shows in Williamsburg.
We applaud Logan’s entrepreneurship. But one quote gives us pause:
There are thousands and thousands of people out there who would love to go hear live comedy but they don’t envision that it’s for them. It’s not that they’re prudes. They just want to go and laugh and not worry about clapping their hands over their children’s ears.
We don’t mean to single out Logan. But we’ve seen “the kids” popping up in articles dealing with standup lately.
When did anyone get the idea that standup comedy was at all acceptable/should be acceptable for kids? (To put a spin on the popular rhetorical question, “Is nothing profane?”) We have no problem if Grandma or the Parson or the Boss wants to see– or present– clean standup comedy. But why must children be considered in the equation?
So much of entertainment has been ruined or compromised because of an illogical and counter-intutive pandering to the children. Isn’t part of the appeal (a huge part of the appeal) of standup it’s adult nature, it’s inherent maturity? It’s something that is embraced by, understood by, appreciated by adults. Why can’t it be exclusively adult?
The presence of little ones at comedy shows is a bad trend. Comedy is not for children. There should be a firebreak between standup comedy and kids. Offering clean standup for adults we have no problem with. But kids shouldn’t factor into anyone’s strategy. We should discourage this at every opportunity.
So many comics of today acknowledge that their earliest recollection of consumption of standup (via records, tv or otherwise) was clandestine, covert– it was understood that standup comedy was for grown-ups. And, eventually, one would be mature enough to handle it, to consume it openly, in an adult situation, surrounded by one’s peers. Comedy never reached downward, the consumer reached upward.
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Reply to: Kids? Kids? Since when is standup for kids?
Of course stand up is for kids as well as adults. I don’t know about you, but I became interested in stand up when I was nine or ten. I got my first George Carlin album (Occupation Fool) when I was in Jr. High and it was about that same time that I saw Carlin’s first HBO special wherein he performed “7 words you can’t say on television”. I’ve loved stand up for as long as I can remember.I was 18 years old when I started performing stand up (very poorly, I might add), as were most of the other open mike night guys I met at Dixon’s. I have to assume that they developed their interest in stand up some time before their 18th birthday, as well.Should children be considered in the equation? Probably not. A stand up should perform whatever material he sees fit for the venue in which he’s performing. It’s up to each individual performer to decide what he wants to say and how he wants to say it. Whether the material is political, social, or sexual, the comedian alone decides what he wishes to perform. And, as a parent, it’s up to me to decide what’s appropriate for my child to see (my son was about 10 years old when he first saw George Carlin on HBO and about 12 when he first saw Carlin live). Kids aren’t allowed in comedy clubs because of the liquor, not because of the content. Believe me, if club owners didn’t have to worry about their licenses kids would be in every comedy club in America, buying $10 cokes along with the rest of us. But there are still plenty of outlets for kids to see and hear stand up comedy. And they can enjoy a lot of it whether it’s specifically geared toward them or not. Stand up comedy isn’t pornography, the intelligent exchange of ideas and redeeming social value make it worthwhile for all ages even when it’s “dirty.”Bill
Perhaps we didn’t make it clear enough: When we say “comedy isn’t for kids,” we mean live standup comedy (as it is meant to be consumed) in a club.Mr. Freiberger says:<>Kids aren’t allowed in comedy clubs because of the liquor, not because of the content. Believe me, if club owners didn’t have to worry about their licenses kids would be in every comedy club in America, buying $10 cokes along with the rest of us. But there are still plenty of outlets for kids to see and hear stand up comedy. And they can enjoy a lot of it whether it’s specifically geared toward them or not.<>The liquor, the language, the setting, the age of audience– it all adds up to an adult experience. Thank God there’s liquor– if there weren’t– and if kids were regularly brought in– the comedy club/live standup experience would be all the poorer for it.We have an issue with the corruption of that live, adult experience.People still haul the kids to the shows on occasion. They always will. But, as any veteran comic will tell you, the parent will invariably say, “Oh, don’t worry, my child is mature enough to handle it.” Yes, we’re sure he/she is. But the trouble is <>the rest of the audience doesn’t know that.<> The dynamic is thrown way off. The presentation suffers.What we attempted to point out in the posting is that we’re seeing a trendlet– a slight uptick in the mention of “children in the audience.” We are sounding the alarm that it might soon be viewed as acceptable to bring the tots to just any comedy show. No good can come of this.In certain venues– cruises, perhaps?– it’s understood the kiddies might be in the front row. The boat knows it. The comics know it. It’s part of that environment. We’re all clear on the deal, and we adjust accordingly.Can’t there be one situation, one category of venue where the exchange between performer and audience is unfettered?If you bring the kids, have the decency to sit in the back of the house, in the dark.