NYT peddles nonsense in Galifianikis piece
The author of the article, a six-page profile of Zach Galifianakis, is John Wray.
Here, he downshifts into the first turn of the piece with this tired bit:
Perhaps more than anyone else in the business, Galifianakis embodies the rebellion against the outmoded Comedy Club circuit– the exposed brick, the two-drink minimum, the indifferent audience, the “regular guy with an attitude” routine– which has come to be labeled the “indie comedy” movement.
In this, his setup paragraph, Wray inserts the obligatory dissing of the “outmoded Comedy Club circuit.” It’s something we’ve come to expect from the hackiest of newspaper reporters. It’s now in the Paper of Record.
And it fits the modus operandi of nearly all those who attempt to write about the alt or indie “movement” or “revolution”– it tears down in order to build up. It paints the comedy club as a dreary place, each one just like the other, each packed with patrons who are variously drunk, hostile or, in this most recent example, indifferent.
Trouble with that characterization is that it’s not true. It may well be a somewhat accurate description of a bad, poorly-run comedy club. But it more accurately describes a bad one-nighter. And the distinction is worth pointing out. Good, capable comics– indie, alt or otherwise– eventually stop doing such dates. It’s partially a matter of economics, but it’s also to preserve sanity and self-respect– and to eliminate some of the more egregious barriers to the continuous honing of the art and the craft of standup. So one of the main badges of honor among the alt/indie crowd– that they absolutely had to seek out venues other than Comedy Clubs — is actually somewhat misleading.
We’ve seen Galifianakis– he’s funny, he’s clever, he writes great material and he possesses a certain playfulness and unpredictability that would go over very well in almost any venue. Including those of the outmoded comedy club circuit.
The same is true for (alt saint) Patton Oswalt and others in their cohort. When we hear their lamentations that they had to seek out venues that were more accommodating, more hospitable, we are unmoved. It’s something we all (or most of us) do to a certain extent. And when, on their way out the door, they heap scorn on the clubs and the audiences that we find to be perfectly acceptable, we take issue.
And when we see their willing accomplices in the MSM swallowing whole their version of events, we are doubly frustrated. It’s all so unnecessary.
This quote, from Galifianakis, is particularly egregious.
If you’re going on right after a guy with suspenders and a skinny, 1980’s-style comedy tie, who’s been striking crazy poses– doing the same type of material that worked in 1991– there’s no space for trying unconventional stuff.
To which we reply, when you’re painting a picture of a comedy club using clichés that were dated twenty years ago, you had better get some new material.
Doubly ironic is that Wray, when laying the foundation for Galifianikis’ hagiography, cites Steven Wright and Andy Kaufman, a valid comparison and one which we’re certain Galifianakis wouldn’t quarrel with and neither would we. But those two comics were at their most influential more than two decades ago. Wray also says that Galifianakis incorporates slapstick and “solemnly tacky musical interludes” into his act. Perhaps he should have cited Victor Borge, Ernie Kovacs, Ed Wynn and Steve Allen as influences.
Our point is that Galifianakis, despite his contempt for comics “doing the same type of material that worked in 1991,” is doing the type of material that worked in 1991… and worked in 1981… and worked in 1951. And, if we were to be hyper-catty and youth-oriented and cyber-savvy about it, he’s using “flip-board messages,” so he’s using material that worked in 2001. (See here.)
Comedians, more so than almost any type of performing artist, are adaptable, pragmatic. And they have a blank canvas to work with. We’re fortunate in that we can do anything we want to get a laugh. We can do several things at once, we can do two different things, we can narrow it down to just one thing and do that one thing very well. As long as it makes a roomful of people laugh. Our motto should be: “You do what you can, you do what you want, you do what you have to.”
We’re baffled by the revolutionary label and we’re baffled by the refusal to appreciate “conventional” (or non-revolutionary) comics. We’ve often considered writing a parody of a New York Times article– about ourselves, of course– which is just as fawning and obsequious as this one and which invokes the late masters of the craft and delves into the “psychological subtext” of our acts. It’s easy! Try it at home! Extra points for working in the term “zeitgeist!” Double plus extra points for describing your beard as “an organizing principle for (your) career, a useful dividing line between (your) formative and mature periods.” We maintain that we could write such an article without trashing any of our contemporaries.
Another troubling aspect of this piece (and of nearly every other piece every written on the alt scene) is the dredging up of stereotypes regarding standup comics.
Since the early ’60s, a multitude of clichés have accrued around the professional comic– the drug use, the womanizing, the fits of self-destructive rage, the angry-clown persona– that a few prominent talents, like John Belushi and, more recently, Chris Farley, seemed to embody. But none have been more tenacious than the belief that the gift of comedy is developed, or at least refined, by a traumatic childhood.
Uh… Belushi and Farley weren’t standup comics. (Galifianakis is, primarily, a standup comic, so the distinction is worth making.) We’re puzzled as to why Wray didn’t cite Richard Pryor. Or Lenny Bruce or Jonathan Winters or Freddie Prinz. Or, if he really wanted to make the reference even more pointless and ridiculous, Joe E. Lewis. And we hasten to point out that those examples are all 25 years old or more. Perhaps, in an article about a standup comic that mentions the standard stereotypes, the reason that Belushi and Farley are cited is because there are no recent examples that can be cited.
Odder still is the fact that Galifianakis goes on to say that he had a happy childhood. So, bringing it up in the first place was just for the sake of bringing it up… it must be mandatory. It’s a companion to the opening of the first paragraph, which describes the TriBeCa venue as…
…host to a stand-up comedy show, but you’d never have guessed it from the goings-on backstage. The only people in the modest, disconcertingly spotless greenroom were the opening acts: two smartly dressed, well-spoken, polite comedians in their early 30s, both of whom could have passed for architecture students, or graphic designers, or even grass-roots organizers for the Obama campaign. No entourage was in evidence; marijuana was alluded to, but never actually smoked; gourmet hummus and He’brew ale were partaken of, but only in moderation.[…]
Why, we’ve never been so surprised in our lives! Every green room we’ve ever been to has been a shit mess populated with comics dressed like homeless dudes, smoking dope, drinking Old Milwaukee and eating fried mozzarella sticks! These alt comics, they sure are smart… and they eat healthier! And they insist that the venue stock beer that even has a funny name!
You get the idea.
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Reply to: NYT peddles nonsense in Galifianikis piece
I see Zach at an outmoded comedy club all the time. The Hollywood Improv. It has a brick wall and a two drink minimum and everything. I’ve seen Zach there at least five times. He kills. So do all the “alt comics (Gould, Maron, Silverman, Benson, Posehn, etc.) that go up there. So, also do mainstream comics like Drew Carey, Joe Rogan, Daniel Tosh, etc. Often on the same night, back to back. Not really sure if the distinction this article mentions realy exists in 2009. I do theexactsame jokes at Tigerlilly and UCB that I do at the Comic Strip in Manhattan.
I visited a so-called alt comedy theatre in Chicago last week. It was dingy and dirty. It has two bars set up NEXT to the stage and waiters walking up and down the aisles during the shows. The show included “an intermission” in order to sell more drinks.
Say what you will about the big barn comedy clubs being opened across the country, at least they are pretty and they are clean.
This so-called theatre would have been rated as a B club if they were not so intent on shunning the comedy club label.
After almost 30 years in this business, I can only laugh at attempts to market standup comedy by calling it something than what it is. I say to all comedians, be proud of your art. Standup comedy is a unique art form.
Bert Haas
Zanies Comedy Clubs, Inc.
I agree that for the most part the writer here is painting with a broad brush regarding comedy clubs and cliches but I must confess I see some truth in what is said about the disconnect between what the Internet finds funny (bizarre hip humor) and what the clubs find funny.
Why deny that certain establishments have certain sensibilities? Tough talking cringe humor tends to work in The Comedy Cellar. The newer sensibility that they are talking about in this article does tend to work better in the alt-rooms. Sure the comics in the back may laugh in the clubs but I HAVE seen blank faces at (some) clubs where audiences expect jokes about “eating the pussy.”
I did note that this is just some clubs which is where you guys come in: you keep mentioning these clubs that are as hip or that have the same sensibility as College Humor for instance-<>where are these clubs?<> Every club I have been to quite honestly DOES have a different sensibility that would not be as accommodating to the new style in humor. And I’ve only been to New York comedy clubs.
I do not wish to mention these clubs by name because I do not wish to burn bridges or spread ill will. Indeed I want to be proven wrong. SHOW ME which clubs will cater to the next Zach Galifianakis.
Handicap: the club would have to be accommodating to a budding alt comic not one with TV credits
I don’t know about the scene in New York but I can name one club (Zanies) that tried to book Zach for years but he refused, saying he only wanted to work alternative clubs or music rooms.
Perhaps the problem is not with the audience but with the comedian. After all, isn’t the role of the comedian to make others laugh and not just yourself.
Bert Haas
Zanies Comedy Clubs