NYT says, “Funny=Money”
And then, a few paragraphs later, they say that funny doesn’t equal as much money as it did in the past. John Bowe profiles Peter Principato of Principato-Young Entertainment, a hot management company formed ten years ago. The profile (available at NYTimes.com with free registration) opens with a description of Principato shepherding three young clients through a typical Hollywood meeting. The realities of the film and television biz are lamented.
Principato, a talent manager, had three clients waiting for him in the offices of Adult Swim (part of the Cartoon Network), with a meeting about to start. At 45, Principato, 70 pounds overweight, dressed in wrinkled Polo and lace-free Converse sneakers, looked less like a budding mogul than a harried soccer dad, rushing to retrieve his kids.
In today’s Hollywood, he told me, trying to find decent-paying work for even the most talented clients had become almost impossible. A few numbers told a sad and weird tale: the 1983 season finale of “MASH” drew an audience of 106 million. In 1987, “The Cosby Show” drew audiences of 30 million. A network show can still draw 15 million, but a cable show like “Children’s Hospital,” starring the comedian Rob Corddry, a client of Principato’s, which is broadcast on the Adult Swim channel, is considered a success with an audience of 1 or 2 million. Where were all the viewers? The Web? Niche programming? The question has no satisfactory answer. What is clear is that the business of getting anyone in Hollywood to pull the trigger on any decision whatsoever has frozen into a Kabuki-like pantomime.
Hasn’t it always been “kabuki-like?” (And why does the Times insist on capitalizing kabuki?) Hasn’t it been a running gag in entertainment circles that– even when rivers of cash flowed through the Los Angeles basin– Hollywood suits were very careful about when and with whom they spent their cash?
Anyway, the story tells how that river has dried up and how folks like Principato are dealing with the fact that “comedy isn’t a one-movie-star business like it used to be. It’s about putting together a team.” He calls them hyphenates– writer-producers, actor-directors. Apparently, Hollywood has become like Alaska– everyone has to have two or three skills in order to make a living. Sounds like things are desperate. How desperate?
Where in the past, a comic manager might support comedians heading out on the performance circuit, Principato supports his hyphenates by helping them to create shows for the Internet with once-unthinkably-small sums of money — $25,000, $75,000.
To which we say: Boo hoo. And we pose the question: How long would it take those comedians of yore to pull down that $25,000 to $75,000 “out on the performance circuit?” (Minus, of course, the 15 or 20 per cent in commissions to managers and agents.) And we hasten to add that these opportunities necessarily lead to other opportunities.
(The takeaway from the article for us is that managers are no longer pushing their clients out onto the nation’s comedy club stages! Gone are the days when actors and writers– who never wanted to be comedians in the first place– took precious stage time from Los Angeles area comics who actually did aspire to be comedians!)
Anyway, in the next sentence, Rob Corddry’s “Children’s Hospital,” and Paul Scheer’s “NTSF:SD:SUV” are cited as examples of initially low-paying projects that “migrated up the content stream from Web series to popular TV shows.” So where, we ask, is the problem? Sounds a lot like what used to be called “development deals” or holding deals or pilots. It’s just that it’s now produced in a different economic climate, using new technology and distributed on new platforms.
How long did Corddry or Scheer expect to toil for $25K? (If they indeed started out that low?)
This article might depress some. It makes it appear as though the gravy train has ground to a halt. Some folks read it as a tale of woe– Comedians can’t hit the big time any more, their opportunities to make it in Hollywood have been seriously slimmed down due to dismal cable and network numbers.
We see it differently. There seems to us to be more opportunities. Are they lower paying? Of course they are. But with the advent of the WWW and the reluctance to bet Dumpsters full of cash (or so-called “sick money”) on one or two (or a handful) of comedy stars in the hopes of one of them becoming the next Seinfeld or Romano, they’re placing smaller bets on dozens of comedians. The amount of the bet must necessarily be smaller.
Is the era of “sick money” over? Certainly not. There’s still gold in them thar Nielsens.
But the means by which one reaches the top of money hill are different.
H/T to Paul Hallasy!
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Reply to: NYT says, “Funny=Money”
Dear Shecky Magazine,
The “once-unthinkably-small sums of money — $25,000, $75,000” that you boo-hoo-ed being paid to create an internet show can easily be misinterpreted as the comedian’s payment. It’s not! Readers need to understand: That’s the budget for the entire web-series. And the writer(s)-performer(s)-producer(s) will earn any money saved AFTER production.
Say a network orders six episodes of an 11-minute web series and is willing to shell out $75,000 to an ensemble of three comics to shoot it. The network still expects a high-quality product that COULD be streamed into homes across America on full-sized HD TV’s. (It’s ridiculous, but that is the expectation! And delivering a product that meets that expectation is how you MIGHT get more money in the future.)
Renting one HD camera can easily cost $3,500+ per week. They’ll probably need two. And what about lenses? Batteries? Cables? Lighting equipment? Audio? How many hours of footage will be shot onto tapes or or stored on hard drives? Best buy some of those… What about food, gas, other actors/crew, make-up, wardrobe, props, etc? What’s that going to cost over the course of 6 episodes? It all comes out of that initial $75,000.
Sometimes you rent the equipment so you can shoot an outdoor scene. And sometimes it rains that day. So you need to spend the money again… Things happen.
What about post-production? Do they have editing skills? Do they have the equipment necessary to edit? Or do they have to pay someone?
Anyway, let’s say our three hyphenates are prodigies and frugal perfectionists and only spend $5,000 per episode– They only spend $30,000 of the total budget. That leaves the team with $45,000 to split three ways. And then they pay 10% to their management. Maybe an extra 10% to their agents?
Maybe, MAYBE, they each walk away with $12,000.
Then what? Sell another series? Wait around to see if the same network will order more episodes? Could be waiting for a few weeks or months…
Now, what if they’d only been given $25,000 to create the series?
Hmmmm… It makes going out on the road to sell merch and make headline money seem like a pretty nice option.
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Ryan Stout
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Excellent comment, Ryan Stout! (We haven’t heard from you since we encountered you in line at the Southwest counter at McCarran a while back! We were beginning to think you didn’t read the magazine any more!)
But… Ideally we would all love to be handed a giant sack of cash to make our vision a reality. (And by “giant,” we mean many times the “once-unthinkably-small sums of money” mentioned in the Times piece.) But that’s just not the reality any more.
You argue that getting $25K to $75K may not seem enticing (or, as you’ve broken it down, it might be downright demoralizing). But, it beats the hell out of the old method, which is using our own money to get the project done. And then going through the demoralizing (there’s that word again) process of humping your finished product around to studios and producers in the hopes that they’d purchase it, greenlight you and give you a decent sack of cash to further realize the dream.
Which was often how it might have been done in the Old Hollywood, before the current economic realities set in.
In the past, folks used their own cash, or used their credit cards, or borrowed money from well-off relatives or friends. They borrowed equipment, rented it, hit friends up to be extras, asked their cosmetologist niece to do makeup, edited it on the computer at work, at night, maybe, when everyone had gone home. At the end of it, they didn’t end up with $12,000 in their pocket. Or $5,000. They ended up with a maxed out Visa (at 18 per cent interest), a lot of friends to whom they owed favors and no guarantee that the finished product would ever see the light of day, let alone be considered for distribution via some sort of platform that hadn’t even been invented yet.
So… we suppose our point was that, while not ideal, the current mode of operation in Hollywood seems by comparison to afford opportunities at low risk. Of course, the compensation is low. But the potential is vast.
And, since the opportunities cost the studios so little, there are more of them.
Producing a spate of micro-budget, minor-platform, short-form “webisodes” on a shoestring for a major cable outlet seems like a pretty nice option which might lead to producing a medium-budget, cable-distributed, 11-minute sketch show. Which might lead to… old style “sick money.” Going out on the road to sell merch and make headline money leads to… going out on the road again to sell merch and make headline money.
Must go change that.
It seems to me that the powers that be are a little confused right now as to what direction they are going especially seeing as how no one knows where the viewers have gone. I am personally putting my money with some outside of the box ideas, although hard to pick you could end up with a gold mine.
I still read you guys regularly; you haven’t lost me! The vast majority of the time I agree with your point of view and feel like you cover the particular topic thoroughly– At which point, there isn’t any need for my commentary.
By the way, I’m working Helium in Philly this week. If you’re not on the road, please feel free to come down and hang out.
Cheers,
Ryan