Last Comic Standing: Ignorance abounds
Just got a comment on our giant LCS wrapup posting. It goes like this:
Letting the pros in on this is a flawed concept. I want to see people trying to get their first break– not a bunch of people I know are getting paid and don’t really need the money– just more exposure. Who would have thought the execs at NBC could be so dumb. Do they think that none of their viewers have Comedy Central in their cable plans? Last year I was shocked to see folks like Gabriel Iglesias. Is NBC taping this stuff and leaving it on a shelf for a year, or what? Let’s see…how many professionals have I seen on a show that’s billed like an amateur contest? Arj Barker, Ralph Harris, Sabrina Matthews, Dwayne Kennedy, Amy Schumer, Doug Benson, etc.. It’s like Celine Dion or Whitney Houston showing up to audition for American Idol. You know the real amateurs have NO shot. Even worse, a lot of the pros use some of their same material. It’s like a pathetic rerun of routines I’ve already seen. If you’ve already been on TV, you should not be allowed to be on this show! Comedy Central already has a contest for the best stand-up of the season. Maybe they should offer prize money to lure these camera hogs away from those trying to get their first break.
Where do we begin with this big pile of dumb?
At the top.
Letting the pros in on this is a flawed concept. I want to see people trying to get their first break– not a bunch of people I know are getting paid and don’t really need the money– just more exposure.
Watching a bunch of “people trying to get their first break” doing standup comedy would be a mixture of painful, boring and largely unfunny. How do we know this? Because the vast majority of standup comics start out as painful, boring and largely unfunny. It takes a long time to get good at it.
As for who needs the money and who doesn’t, we’d like to see the magic formula determining exactly who might “need the money.”
(H)ow many professionals have I seen on a show that’s billed like an amateur contest?
Last Comic Standing is not now, nor has it ever been, “billed like an amateur contest.” It is a reality series that seeks to find “the funniest new comedian in the world.” (According to NBC’s own website.) By “new,” they mean new as in undiscovered or not known to the general public. Arj Barker may have had a special on Comedy Central, but the audience for a cable outlet isn’t large enough to make anyone a mainstream star, especially compared to the power of a network television outlet like NBC.
To the comedy fan, Barker, Benson, Matthews, et al, may be familiar names. To the watchers of Comedy Central, they might seem to be stars, but to the average NBC viewer, they are “new” and the audience is “discovering” them for the first time, with the help of LCS.
The website also says that the three talent scouts are “traveling across the globe to find the best professional and aspiring comedians.” But the word “amateur" is never used.
It’s like Celine Dion or Whitney Houston showing up to audition for American Idol.
Actually, no, it isn’t. The rules on Idol specify that a contestant cannot have previously had a recording contract. We believe that Ms. Dion and Ms. Houston have each been recording for the better part of twenty years. But Idol is clearly an amateur talent contest. LCS is not.
We’re puzzled by the public’s constant confusion of the two formats.
Let us end this posting by quoting ourselves. From a comment that we posted yesterday:
The first season featured a good number of seasoned veterans of comedy. As has each consecutive season. As does this season. In spite of the efforts of the producers to ram green comics into the process, it is the experienced ones who stand out, who make an impact in their brief turns or who eventually dominate the final ten.
If it were up to us, there would be even more experienced comics vying for the top prize. If it were up to us, this silly town-by-town “talent search” conceit would be replaced by an invitation-only process, based on review of video tapes, submitted by comics themselves or by their representation. But that somehow goes against the already calcified conventions of reality TV– a genre that, though only a decade old, has already veered into self-parody.
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Reply to: Last Comic Standing: Ignorance abounds
But the idea of making it for professional comics who have had no national TV exposure, cable or otherwise is a good idea. You could even say within the last ten years, or whatever. There are lots of pro comics, not unlike your own good selves, who have a wealth of material and have been working the clubs without significant TV exposure. It would be great to see more of these comics. I agree, get rid of the open audition, though.
Having experienced pro’s that haven’t had tv exposure in the past ten years sounds like a great idea, but how would they enforce it? What makes a pro? Do you have to get paid “X” dollars/year? Do you show up at the audition with your tax statements?I, also, think getting rid of the open auditions would be a bad idea only because then all the agents and managers would get their hands on it. Anyone without representation would quickly get kicked out of the group and only those with big agents would end up in the contest.The perfect situation would be to have open auditions for only working comedians…no amateurs.Of course then they would have no blooper reel which is what America enjoys the most. The best episodes are the ones that make you cringe because the person is so bad.Bottomline: They aren’t looking to find the best comedian. They are looking to create a good tv show and that means showing the open mikers fail miserably. People only want to see the best and worst. Anyone in the middle makes for boring tv.
Jonathan comments:Having experienced pros that haven’t had TV exposure in the past ten years sounds like a great idea, but how would they enforce it?To which we reply:Such enforcement is easily done. AFTRA has detailed records of such appearances.Jonathan comments further that:…getting rid of the open auditions would be a bad idea only because then all the agents and managers would get their hands on it.To which we reply:That ship, we think it is safe to say, has already sailed. The agents and managers already wield tremendous power over the show, including one particular agent who is one of the Executive Producers of the show itself.The perfect situation would be to devise a system by which the artists are chosen with an eye toward experience, professionalism and the ability to amuse a roomful of strangers. Of course, agents and managers would submit their clients, just as they do for other TV showcases. It might be possible to build and cast a show like this one and not give special consideration to those with high-powered managers and representation. We’re not holding our breath.As for your question as to what makes a pro? We’ll say that we can usually watch a comic– either live or on the television– and determine within minutes (sometimes seconds!) how many years that person has been doing standup. We do so with unerring accuracy. Only rarely do we guess wrong. So it can be done.We disagree with Jonathan’s assumption that “showing the open mikers fail miserably” makes for a good TV show, or that “people only want to see the best and the worst.” We maintain that these are relatively recent conventions of the reality TV genre. And we go further and say that following these conventions is the TV producer equivalent of “hacky.”People love excellence. Always have, always will. Providing them with mediocrity (or worse), when there is more than enough excellence to be had, is merely pandering to the viewers’ baser instincts and is cover for a seriously flawed system and a part of a dismal trend in the current pop culture/entertainment landscape. It is yet another sign of television flailing about as it circles the drain.
The programs producers will keep the current audition proces I believe. After all viewers love to see train wrecks and the open auditions ensure that will happen.