Shitting in his Worldwide Pants?
Since posting about David Letterman’s apology, a lot has happened.
Tomorrow, there’s a rally scheduled in Manhattan to exert pressure on CBS to fire Late Show host David Letterman. Should he be fired? It’s not a question of “should.” It’s a business decision. And that decision most likely rests with Les Moonves, president and COO of Columbia Broadcast System.
Moonves will no doubt consider several things like how many people show up, how much MSM coverage it gets, how long the controversy might last or how many women viewers he can afford to alienate by keeping Letterman on. Or… urge Letterman to call a press conference and issue a second apology. Stranger things have happened.
The National Organization for Women (NOW) has added Letterman’s June 8 performance to their “Media Hall of Shame.” They conclude the page by exhorting their followers to “Take Action” and “Write to CBS and tell them what you think,” which, when clicked, brings up a handy-dandy form to generate either email or an actual hard copy.
Huffington Post readers were treated to this essay by Amy Siskind, described as the president and co-founder of The New Agenda, a nonpartisan organization devoted to advancing women’s rights. Siskind sees the wayward monologue and the ensuing outrcy as a watershed moment:
And perhaps most revolutionary of all are the unlikely alliances being forged to fight against the words of David Letterman. Women who have had abortions are joining hands with those whose religion forbids it. Men who voted against Proposition 8 are joining hands with lesbian couples. Women who pulled the lever for a Republican are joining hands with men who voted for a Democrat. All uniting in the name of common decency and the desire to make things better for the next generation. It’s a “how did we let it come to this” type of moment.
Of course, it could all be over with by Thursday. With Letterman back securely at the helm of his show and everyone in the media onto the next controversy, the next outrage, the next gaffe.
Then, there’s the results of a US Weekly “Water Cooler Poll,” which asks, “Whose side are you on?”
Sarah Palin– %89.31
David Letterman– %10.69
This has taken a fascinating turn.
If Dave loses his gig (and we’re putting it at 60/40 right now that he keeps his job), a scenario similar to the Imus debacle will no doubt unfold. There is plenty of residual good will toward Letterman and there will be virtually no decrease in his celebrity– perhaps even an uptick! After a cooling-off period, he’ll resurface on ABC or Fox as host of a show that goes up against whichever show replaces his.
In much the same way that Bill Maher re-surfaced, in a slightly different format and with a different taping schedule on HBO after stirring up a controversy on his ABC show. Imus returned to radio after being signed by Citadel Broadcasting.
In both the Imus and the Maher situations, some folks tried to represent what happened as censorship. And in neither case was that so. Neither CBS nor ABC (nor MSNBC, who dropped Imus’ simulcast) are government entities. They are corporations who bowed to public pressure, and to pressure from sponsors. At no time was any government involved. And, it is worth noting, both hosts are now gainfully employed, doing what they did before they lost their previous jobs. And, to our knowledge, no one is suggesting that either man be removed from his current position.
But this isn’t going away overnight. And it can’t be easily dismissed as a “manufactured hissy-fit” by knuckle-dragging “sows” with the “IQ of a door stop.” It seems to be a rather broad and varied gang of people who are expressing their disappointment– and in a variety of ways. Women, womyn, men (fathers), NOW members, mothers, daughters, Alaskans, HuffPo readers, conservatives, feminists, housewives– if the juggernaut has such a broad demo, the problem is real.
It may not be, as Siskind writes, that “men who voted against Proposition 8 are joining hands with lesbian couples,” but it certainly is varied enough that it can’t be dismissed out of hand as some sort of “rightwing withchunt” as so many have speculated. And that’s doubly bad for Dave.
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Reply to: Shitting in his Worldwide Pants?
I would bet anything that Letterman’s job is in no danger whatsoever. I really believe that you are jumping on some very slim evidence because it supports your views on this subject. An online poll (which as everyone knows always attracts the people who are most emotional or organized about a subject) supposedly means that the public is rising up? Someone from a group none of us has ever heard of declares that Republicans and lesbians are joining hands, and you treat it as gospel? Groups like NOW always seize an opportunity like this to advance their agenda. I’m not saying that NOW isn’t genuinely outraged by Dave’s comments (I suspect more about the sexist comments directed at Palin than the comments about her daughter) but they also see an opportunity to get their members motivated by a ginned up controversy.
As for the issue at hand, I find it luaghable that you claim any informed observer would know that Willow was the daughter at the Yankee game. Let’s please get real. I assumed, as did millions of others, that Bristol was the daughter in question. If you had asked me the name of the younger daughter, I probably could have come up with “Willow,” but I would have had to think long and hard about it. If you had asked 100 people to name Sarah Palin’s daughter, I’m willing to wager that 99 percent of those who were able to provide any answer would have said Bristol. Is it really a benchmark of how informed one is that they have to know the intimate details of a Sarah Palin photo op? I consider myself very well informed. I’m fmailiar with the controversy surrounding Palin, Gingrich and her attendance at the Republican fundraiser. And I care not one whit who she went to the ballgame with.
I trust that all of the Republicans who are so up in arms over Dave’s sexism are equally outraged by the treatment Hillary Clinton has received for years. I’m sure many of them have spoken out quite forcefully about it.
And by the way, the butt of the joke was ARod.
Dear Shecky,
I only hope the protesters are clear on the facts.
I encourage big signs that read:
“Accidental jokes that imply the statutory rape of teenage girls are disgusting!”
I worry that the signs will actually read:
“Letterman = RAPE”
You are right when you say this “can’t be easily dismissed as a ‘manufactured hissy-fit’ by knuckle-dragging ‘sows’ with the ‘IQ of a door stop.'”
I say this can be easily dismissed as a manufactured hissy-fit by the sensationalist media that hypnotizes “knuckle-dragging sows with the IQ of a door stop” by only giving them the flashiest of facts.
Sincerely,
Ryan Stout
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ChrisO says:
“I really believe that you are jumping on some very slim evidence because it supports your views on this subject.”
Huh? You are wrong on this one, Mr. O. We aren’t jumping on anything. We’re rather dispassionate in our analysis of the whole mess. We said it’s 60/40 in favor of Letterman keeping his job.
If we were jumping on something, any moron would say that we would have put that at 0/100.
ChrisO says that our citing of the USWeekly poll is evidence that we conclude that “that the public is rising up.” Read our post more carefully.
We cited the poll, the NOW statement, the rally scheduled for Tuesday and the Siskind column NOT as evidence that the “public is rising up,” but as evidence that the story has legs, that the number and gender and character of the people who have been paying attention is evolving and that none of it looks good for Letterman.
Also: We treated nothing “as gospel.” That is something that you are reading into our comments.
The rest of your post is emotional and not really fact-based. We would thank you to cease commenting, or at least moderate your comments and keep it to what we’ve said.
As for Ryan Stout’s comments, we would only say that the media has paid scant attention to the controversy so far. (Especially as compared to the Imus controversy.)
Your parting shot is pure emotion.
The public has not been fed “the flashiest of facts.” In comparison to the pre-WWW era, the public has been provided with verbatim transcripts of the original jokes, the videotape of same, transcripts of the apology (and the attendant videotape), full transcripts of the press release from the Governor’s office and links to the URLs of every party involved. The “flashiest of facts” canard is dated. And does not comport with reality. You give no credit to any of the people involved. Including us.
And, as will become evident tonight, it is reported by the NYT that Letterman was moved to issue a second apology during today’s taping. So our prediction has come true (even though we hadn’t much faith that it would when we made it).
Note to ChrisO: We encourage all commenters to post… “nonymously.” Which is a word we just made up… it means, roughly translated, “have some sack.” As much as we disagree with Ryan Stout, we respect the fact that we puts his name, his website URL, his Facebook URL, his blood type, his shoe size and his social security number on each and every vicious comment. And we prefer it that way.