"Questionable?" According to whom?
The Miami Herald has a piece on the South Beach Comedy Festival. (That link takes you to the stubby article on the UPI.com page. Who even knew that UPI was still around? The larger Herald story is here.)
The headline?
“Obama a questionable comedy target”
No question mark at the end. It’s a fact, dontcha know.
At least one comedian has… balls:
Lisa Lampanelli said while most TV comedy writers appear hesitant to poke fun at the incoming head of state, she and her fellow stand-up comedians are fully prepared to dish Obama dirt at the South Beach Comedy Festival this month, The Miami Herald reported Sunday.[…]
“I’m not scared to make fun of anything. And I don’t think any comic should be.”
What’s this? We’re lauding the chutzpah of the woman who was once our mortal enemy? The woman who called SHECKYmagazine “a bunch of ass-lickers?” (It was 1999. It’s so long ago, it’s almost like it never happened. And, since a lot of our first three or four years were wiped out by a worm in August of ’03, it’s like it never happened!)
The short excerpt ends on this note:
Comedy Central Director of Talent JoAnn Grigioni suggested to the Herald that some comedians’ hesitancy to target Obama is due to the Democrat’s lack of overly apparent flaws.
Amazing, what? The Director of Talent for the foremost purveyor of standup in all of cabledom says that our president-elect has no “overly apparent flaws.” Jaw-dropping.
He’s a carbon-based life form. He’s a human being. He has flaws. Many of them (if you’re paying any attention at all) are apparent. Hell, even Jesus H. Christ himself had flaws!
Let’s try to outline this dilemma yet again. By proclaiming that someone– a man, a woman, a president-elect– has no flaws and therefore is exempt from teasing, there are certain unavoidable side-effects. Not the least of which is that it implies that anyone who does find a flaw (and who subsequently exploits that flaw in the name of comedy) is (fill in the blank– Insensitive? Racist? Mean-spirited?). Is the “skunk at the garden party” effect, to use the vivid metaphor.
Of course, comedians don’t need permission to joke about someone. They never have. As Ms. Lampanelli points out, she’s never been “scared to make fun of anything.” And, for the most part, comedians have dealt with such proscriptions by going at them head-on– In fact, the easiest way to get a comedian to joke about something is to tell him that it’s sacred!
But we’re sensing far too much acquiescence out there in Standupville. And, oddly, these days, the proscription is coming from inside the camp– comedy writers, comedians and cable television execs are saying that this Obama fellow is a tough nut to crack. Such talk has a slightly chilling effect on the rest of us. If you deny that, you’re living in a dream world. (And if you think that, once again, we’re overstating things, note that Ms. Lampanelli used the word “scared” in her statement to the Herald. Indeed, the reporter, James H. Burnett III, cites “fear of a politically correct backlash” as one of the reasons for the dearth of Obama gags.)
But, as so often happens in the world of humor, it could go either way: When such talk prevails, it’s not a stretch to imagine that anyone who makes fun our new leader might be regarded as a pariah… or perhaps a genius (for finding humor where none was believed to reside).
Stay tuned.
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Reply to: "Questionable?" According to whom?
Here’s about 400 comedians submitted Obama jokes:http://www.dailycomedy.com/hottopic/Barack_ObamaThe bulk of the jokes arent making fun of Obama.. most just mention him, but there’s plenty that make fun of him too.I’ve been the secret webmaster on this site for over a year… made tons of changes and improvements. Anyone can submit jokes or videos, and unlike myspace, youtube, and facebook…. anyone can rate or comment without registering. I’m also very proud of our enhanced myspace and facebook share features. Still a work in progress… more improvments and comedian tools to come, and I love feedback, so let me know.
Oh, Shecky… I feel like you are WAY TOO sensitive to this particular subject and, thus, you always seem to get off-track when it comes up.You wrote: “Amazing, what? The Director of Talent for the foremost purveyor of standup in all of cabledom says that our president-elect has no “overly apparent flaws.” Jaw-dropping.”No, it’s not jaw-dropping. Because that’s not what she said. How can you attack JoAnn Grigioni for the way that UPI re-hashed her quote?Her EXACT quote (from the Herald article you linked to) was, “I think people who may be having a hard time skewering Obama are experiencing that because right now his flaws, those that would be comedy fodder, are not so obvious,” Grigioni said. “I’m not sure it’s a PC thing as much as it’s not so organic to different comics’ styles to work with the types of things they might have on him right now.”She’s only suggesting difficulties, not saying IT’S IMPOSSIBLE, as you claim she is suggesting. It’s a good quote that shows she is respectful of the work of comedians and the craft of comedy, the quote more than allows for the possibility of Obama as a punch line, and she is only talking about “people who are having a hard time skewering Obama…right now,” and NOT, as you seem to insist, every-comedian-on-the-planet.Stand-up comedy is not easy– True?Writing jokes is not easy work– True?So why would writing jokes about Barack Obama be easy? It’s not. It’s hard. But, every time someone says that it’s difficult, you fly off the handle: You set up straw men and then you destroy them, one at a time.You wrote, “By proclaiming that someone– a man, a woman, a president-elect– has no flaws and therefore is exempt from teasing, there are certain unavoidable side-effects.” No one in either article suggested that Obama was flawless. No one. How are you making that inference? Straw man.I have never met a single comedian, I have never heard of a single comedian, and you have never mentioned a single comedian, by name, who is AFRAID to make fun of Barack Obama. Not one comedian who has ever claimed Barack Obama was “off-limits.” But you continue to insist that those comedians are out there. Where? And, if you can’t say, why do you keep writing about your disappointment/frustration with these imaginary people? Straw man.The topic is: “Writing Jokes About Barack Obama Can Be Difficult For Some Comics.” Please, in the future, when you discuss this topic try to avoid talking about “comedians’ fear” of the topic and about “how Barack Obama is not flawless” unless those topics are ACTUALLY addressed in the article you are referencing and unless there are real people who portray these beliefs. Thank you.Sincerely,Ryan Stouthttp://www.ryanstout.nethttp://www.myspace.com/ryanstout
Ryan Stout:You have missed our point entirely.You say, “I have never met a single comedian, I have never heard of a single comedian, and you have never mentioned a single comedian, by name, who is AFRAID to make fun of Barack Obama. Not one comedian who has ever claimed Barack Obama was “off-limits.” But you continue to insist that those comedians are out there. Where? And, if you can’t say, why do you keep writing about your disappointment/frustration with these imaginary people? Straw man.”We suggest you go back and read our postings.We have linked to one article after another that quotes from comics and comedy writers that say it’s difficult to write jokes about a man who is so near perfect, so likeable, so “lucid,” so (take your pick). The articles mention the comics and writers by name.Here is just one posting on the subject < HREF="http://www.sheckymagazine.com/2008/07/obama-off-limits-to-late-night-gag.html" REL="nofollow">here<> and the International Herald Tribune article that it cited < HREF="http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/07/15/america/15humor.php?page=2" REL="nofollow">here<>.< HREF="http://www.sheckymagazine.com/2008/11/obamas-supercalifragilisticexpialidocio.html" REL="nofollow">Here<>‘s another posting. The SF Chronicle article is < HREF="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/11/04/MN3L13TD66.DTL" REL="nofollow">here<>.Of course, there are more. Some of them quote comics and writers who say they’ll have no problem. Others quote comics and writers who express doubt that it will be easy. Some even say that it will be near impossible. Some cite reasons why.And editors and writers are very concerned about the ability of comedians and writers to figure out how to do it. Here’s one that worries about whether artists of all stripes will be able to < HREF="http://www.philly.com/dailynews/features/20081111_What_s_so_funny_about_Obama__Comedians_and_musicians_struggle_to_find_material.html" REL="nofollow">“get their mojo back.”<>.And, of course, there’s the piece that kicked the entire controversy off, < HREF="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/16/opinion/16dowd.html?_r=2&hp&oref=slogin&oref=slogin" REL="nofollow">“May we mock Barack?”<> which was a column from Maureen Dowd.In every one of the articles cited above (and in some that we haven’t even bothered to cite), there are reporters, columnists, comedy writers, comedians and college professors who say that it will be difficult or impossible to write and perform jokes about Barack Obama. And one or two of them even threaten anyone who tries (or promises dire consequences, should one be so bold).There is no < HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man" REL="nofollow">straw man<> here.And we ran Grigioni’s exact quote– “I think people who may be having a hard time skewering Obama are experiencing that because right now his flaws, those that would be comedy fodder, are not so obvious.” No re-hashing. Grigioni is saying (not implying) that “…people are (having a hard time… skewering Obama) because right now his flaws… are not so obvious.”UPI, in their summary article, said, “Comedy Central Director of Talent JoAnn Grigioni suggested to the Herald that some comedians’ hesitancy to target Obama is due to the Democrat’s lack of overly apparent flaws.” In no way is UPI guility of anything other than accurately summarizing Grigioni’s statement.And here’s < HREF="http://www.insidenova.com/isn/entertainment/television/article/comedians_nothing_funny_about_obama/24530/" REL="nofollow">another article<>, this one by the ubiquitous AP reporter Frazier Moore, that’s headlined, “Comedians: Nothing Funny About Obama.” (The colon implying that what follows is the paraphrased sentiment of the party that precedes it.)The case might be made that this is all a concoction of the media– that editors and writers and columnists have somehow reached the conclusion that Obama is going to pose a devlish conundrum for writers and comics. And that they have approached each and every story and column with this premise. (This wouldn’t be the first time that such conventional wisdom provides a theme or a backbone for a series of articles.)But it is up to the people being interviewed (in this case, the comics and writers) to challenge such an assumption. By and large, they have not. In fact, most have echoed the sentiments of the reporters (with some slight variations) and reinforced the notion that America’s comedians are having a rough time of it. (Only a few– Lampanelli, Grier, Hughley, to name a some– have said that it’ll be no problem.) This hand-wringing, this willingness to go along with the conventional wisdom, is what we have found to be embarassing.We have been quite clear. We have not, for the most part, been overly sensitive. Perception is everything. When comedians are perceived to be stumped, lazy or, yes, even fearful, we have a problem. All of us.We summed up our position quite clearly (in < HREF="http://www.sheckymagazine.com/2008/11/never-let-em-see-you-sweat.html" REL="nofollow">this posting<>, from November 10), when we said:“Our basic theme was that all this hand-wringing and fretting was unseemly and a violation of the unwritten law, popularized by Elayne Boosler in, of all places, a deodorant commercial from a few years back– “Never let ’em see you sweat.” We may be disinclined to joke about this or that, but we should never even consider letting the public know that we might actually be incapable of doing so.”And D.L. Hughley’s quote, from that same article is also quite apt:“If you call yourself a comic, you can’t excuse the most powerful man in the world… He is the most powerful man on the face of the planet. He is The Man!”
This just in:“Rock Can’t Joke About Obama” reads the headline in the (UK) Daily Express.“CHRIS ROCK has branded BARACK OBAMA a stand-up comedian’s worst nightmare – because the President-elect is too awe-inspiring to make fun of.”Now, it’s starting to get kinda funny.Another quote from Rock:“(With Obama) it’s like, ‘Ooh, you’re young and virile and you’ve got a beautiful wife and kids. You’re the first African-American president.’ You know, what do you say?”Indeed! What does one say?!Read the whole thing < HREF="http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/80903/Rock-can-t-joke-about-Obama" REL="nofollow">here<>