There’s 26:05 we’ll never get back
When you’re teaching comedy and you’re invoking Nelson Mandela, something has gone horribly wrong.
From what we can piece together, Louie Anderson and Kyle Cease started this thing called Comedy Boot Camp (We mentioned it, in passing, in one of our recent Montreal updates), and here’s a screencap is an interview with Cease to find out what all the fuss is about. (Click it to be taken to the interview itself… if you dare.)
Cease wants to change standup comedy. We’re not sure exactly what it is about standup that needs changing at the moment. But Cease is determined to “re-boom the scene” fifty or sixty comics at a time. He’s determined to do so by means of his Boot Camp. (So… at $299 per comic, Cease and Co. will be paid $14,950 every time he “re-booms a scene.” Nice hustle!)
If the interview (posted online by MSU Telecasters, whatever that is… God bless you if you can ascertain what MSU stands for) is designed to generate enthusiasm for the Boot Camp, it is, as the kids say, a major FAIL. Clad in the Generation Y Zippered Hoodie/Backward Baseball Cap uniform (that even Generation Y has stopped wearing!) Cease is seated at Zanies comedy club (we see the familiar logo in the background… along with caricatures of… Yakov Smirnoff?) as he holds forth on such topics as Tony Robbins, addiction, fear, creativity and “your core self.” It’s a warmed over hodgepodge of motivational buzzwords, spiritual uplift, Freudian psychology and New Age doublespeak that causes the eyes to not just roll back into the head but maybe even dropped down into the lower intestines.
We’re reminded of that insufferable bore who has just found Jesus, or has recently discovered macrobiotics, and who badgers strangers into accepting the Lord or who never misses a chance to tell unsuspecting diners in the next booth that bacon will kill them slowly.
We will save you the trouble of watching Cease’s ramblefest: Go to Home Depot and buy a hammer and a four-inch, spiral-shank nail. Then drive it slowly into your skull, with tiny, measured taps. If you hit brain matter before the 26:05 mark, you’ll be better off than us. And you will probably have experienced far less pain.
While watching, we were horrified at the prospect of all the open-mikers who might have the misfortune of listening to this claptrap. Being told, “If you’re passionate about what you’re talking about, you won’t have stage fright,” might be one of the dumbest things anyone has ever told an aspiring comic. And that leads us to imagine another horror: The audience who has to sit through an open mike that features a parade of open mikers who have been told, “If you’re passionate about what you’re talking about, you won’t have stage fright.” (Compare this to what we tell comedians who’ve attended our seminars: “You’re probably going to bomb the first time. If you don’t bomb the first time, you’ll probably bomb the second time. Everybody bombs.” Simple. To the point. Useful. Heavy on the practical experience. Light on references to Nelson Mandela.)
It’s all over the map.
Perhaps the most infuriating thing about the Cease Method is that he cautions aspiring comics to re-prioritize and not go for the laugh. The most important thing, Cease says, is “You need to be authentic, you need to be real, you need to break down barriers. Stop doing things based on crowd approval.” We’ve seen this seeping into the language of so many comics and critics and hucksters– It’s gauche to go for the laugh. Actually caring about a response is the mark of a hack, is a sign that you’re shameless, a loser. It’s a strange sort of math that is popping up from time to time that says that someone who consciously, intentionally goes for a laugh is automatically pandering. And its corollary: The performer who doesn’t go for the laugh, and who doesn’t particularly care if the audience likes him– who is “in the moment,” or “authentic” or is finding his “real voice”– is the comedian who serves as the gold standard, the role model for all to follow.
But it’s all very muddled. The interview sounds like someone who was emerging from a Tony Robbins lecture and was asked to recap what he’d just heard– it’s Whisper Down The Motivational Lane. It’s a disjointed speech that seeks to outline the Brave New World of Standup as envisioned by Anderson and Cease.
Anderson is held up as a prime example of someone who uses the pain onstage– abuse by an alcoholic dad– to achieve comedy enlightenment free of suffering, desire and ignorance (our apologies to The Buddha). There’s only one problem: Anderson didn’t mine the heartache until well after he had made a small fortune telling fat jokes. (Well-written fat jokes, mind you, and told well. But his formula for success was a very traditional one– setup/punchline, relying on honed material, on subjects with a wide appeal, no pun attended.)
If this is the formula, the method, the means that they’re teaching aspiring comics (or stalled comics, or comics wishing to “push it to the next level), then they’re giving them way too much information. We tell comics how to survive their first five minutes onstage. Get used to the sound, the lights. Don’t worry about “being your authentic self.” That will come eventually, in some form or another (if we understand the phrase correctly). And don’t listen to anyone who tells you how to go about crafting an identity or an approach.
He talks about “success,” in the same breath as “money” and selling out Madison Square Garden… but we’re not clear on how he defines success… but we’re pretty sure he equates success with money. (He mentions selling out MSG, so we’re pretty sure he means money… Who sells out MSG without coming out with a bucket of cash?)
Let’s examine the top-earning comedians for the last year, as compiled by Forbes:
1. Jeff Dunham
2. Dane Cook
3. Terry Fator
4. Chelsea Handler
5. George Lopez
6. Larry the Cable Guy
7. Russel Peters
8. Jeff Foxworthy (tie)
8. Howie Mandel
10. Bill Engvall
Most motivational speakers will tell their audience to identify successful people, analyze their methods and emulate those methods as closely as possible. In this case, Cease identifies the successful people (not by name but by the fact that they’re playing MSG) and prescribes a method that seems at odds with theirs.
And out of the top ten on this list, we’d say that there might be nine different approaches. (And one could argue that even the ventriloquists take starkly different approaches to their particular craft.)
Is anyone on this list trying to change the hearts and minds of their audience? Is anyone delivering their material with this passion that Cease jabbers on about? How many of them are drawing on pain to arrive at their material, their presentation?
They’ve become wildly successful (as have, no doubt, the next ten or twenty people on a Forbes list that would go further) by writing great material and presenting it to the audience with the intention of making them bust a gut.
If you’re going to push a method for success, you would do well to cite an example or two. It’s not Cease. When he achieved his mainstream success– an hourlong Comedy Central special two years ago– he claims to have been suicidal. It’s certainly not Anderson (see above). So, we’re not quite sure who has achieved wild success through his recommended methods. And we’re somewhat skeptical as to who might achieve it in the future using these methods.
And if it’s standup comedy in general that he wants to fix, we’re convinced that it doesn’t need fixing.
“For to be free is not merely to cast off one’s chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others.” –Nelson Mandela
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Reply to: There’s 26:05 we’ll never get back
measured and well said
Kyle Cease is benefitting only himself and some comedy clubs who are making a cut. He is doing a major disservice to comedy and so are the clubs that are allowing this ass to rob open-mic comics. I guess the comics that ignore this crap might benefit by making real progress and finding their own unique voice aside from the 60+ comical robots Cease is creating per boot camp event. Need someone else to give you info on being a better comic? Talk to other comics, use your money to travel to perform at various open-mics, read Zen and the art of stand-up comedy by Jay Sankey.
good take on it. Only thing is your pricing is only half right. $299 is the cheapest class, the most expensive one (Stand Up Mastery is $3,000, the only one I believe was approx $599). So Kyle might be making a lot more than $15K a cycle.
You are now probably going to get about a zillion comments supporting boot camp.
I would love to have a live debate, unedited, every point you just made. You run a story with bias based on you not understanding what I am saying. You ignore the fact that students are getting amazing results, you fail to point out that many many huge names are involved with this event. You just keep going after me. I would love to really see if I can grasp your problem, so lets discuss.
I get it, you don’t understand this.
That Mandella quote you bring up should apply to you guys not wanting us to offer a class to aspiring comics. I will stand my ground, continually get attacked, and debate and prove to have amazing intentions, and great results.
This will continue to prove itself. Louie and I have a right to bring in comics to share information. If you look at the testimonials from pretty much everyone who has attended, things are great. If it is a fact that people have felt better about their acts, their growth, material, ideas, then who are you to stop them? (many reviews at http://www.standupbootcamp.com, or now http://www.thecomicscomic.com)
All complaints are from people who haven’t been there. This is like reviewing a movie you haven’t seen. Also, the upcoming events come with a money back guarantee, so you have absolutely no risk, and literally nothing to lose if you go.
ALso, a free newsletter giving tips for anyone who signs up for the newsletter. Just free info. That is it.
Students who want to learn from working comics have a right to do whatever they want. Your only goal here is to destroy something you have not experienced. Our goal is to offer growth to people who want it.
I offer you an on camera live discussion on this.
Here is a review from the manager of Zanies St Charles, Cyndi Nelson.
Kyle,
I just wanted to thank you & Louie for bringing your Stand Up Boot Camp to ZANIES………and Chicago!! I thought it was an amazing weekend & was happy to be a part of it. The passion & emotion you bring to the profession is truly refreshing, and just the “kick in the butt” that this industry needs right now!!
We both know that you can’t teach funny, and I was glad to see that you didn’t try to. Between the writers, bookers, comics and other industry leaders that spoke, I feel the boot campers got the inside info that they really need to succeed in the business of comedy.
When you top that off with your motivation & passion for the art, and Louie’s legendary insight, I think boot camp is a must for anyone who wants to take their game to the next level!! It is obvious to me that both you and Louie really care about Stand Up Comedy, and the people who want to succeed at it. I look forward to the new talent that you & Louie are helping to create.
Cyndi Nelson
Director of Entertainment
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Pheasant Run Resort
ZANIES Comedy Club
“You keep going after me.”
Actually, we mentioned you in passing. Once. During one of our Montreal updates. We quoted Stanhope. That’s about it.
We posted about the video. It’s ponderous. If it’s in any way representative of the Boot Camp itself, we feel for those who’ve submitted to it.
Stanhope (whom we quoted in our Montreal update) called you a “fucking rotten, soul-plundering asshole.” We went a different route.
We don’t think the industry needs a “kick in the butt,” nor does the scene need “re-booming.”
Our goal was not to “destroy something we have not experienced.” It was to comment on your approach as it is outlined in the 26:05 video interview.
Kyle, you continue to play the victim, here and on Jimmy Dore’s podcast, and you continue to not answer one single critique anyone has brought up, and you continue to wonder why people are so reticent to just accept what you say as the truth and shell over $300 to $3000 of their hard earned money. It is insane, and if any other business was run that way they would be a laughing stock, but because you couch it in self help and self improvement, you somehow feel it’s beyond reproach. The way you’re dealing with your critics is completely despicable, saying they don’t want to help people, they don’t want to see a new ‘boom’ in the comedy scene, (and speaking as a huge fan of comedy, it’s kind of offensive to disregard the revival all forms of comedy have been experiencing lately) and then you continue to get offended when they call you out on it.
You have also failed to be funny in the thousands of words I’ve heard you speak on this subject, which casts great doubts on the whole ‘comedy’ aspect of your class. But hey, comedy is subjective, and maybe this is all some kind of post-modern critique on the willingness of society to blah blah blah, so I’ll give you a pass on that one. But seriously, quit whining, and either come with some cold hard facts to prove your points, or at least come with some funny, or just be quiet and continue to make your money from these poor fools.
For the record I think Steve Roye’s response to shecky magazine was far more entertaining then Kyle’s. Kyle I give you a par score of 5. Go review steve’s response (just google it) and try again.
To quote Mr. Roye’s characterization of Traci Skene:
“…you are little more than something the toilet overflowed.”
And we’ll accept Cease’s challenge to a debate. As long as we can bring along Stanhope and a coupla bottles of Bulleit Bourbon. At least then, the entertainment factor would zoom up to about ninety gazillion.
The two of you can’t take me on? You need Stanhope for this too?
Uh… It was joke. (Note the reference to bourbon. That was a tipoff. And the use of the word “gazillion,” which is not a real number. Ease up– there’s not really going to be a “debate.”)
Where’s the ol’ sense of humor? (26:05 and not one atom of humor. So serious!)
We’ve been bloviating about standup comedy for over eleven years. We get serious once in a while, but we try to keep it light for the most part.
We’re already on to the next thing.
According to your message, we’re not “taking you on” because we’re envious or fearful. The cold, hard reality is: you’re just not that important to us. You did your thing, we weighed in on it. Then we ran your response. It’s over.
Butch up!
Oh, but we CAN critique what we haven’t consumed. Cease had a 26-minute infomercial promoting his venture. He should be able to effectively “nutshell” the whole thing in a four-minute (or even a three-minute) spot. If he drones on and on for TWENTY-SIX MINUTES and FIVE SECONDS, then he should expect to weather some critiques here and there.
What you talking “about work-life balance?” DO NOT attempt to lecture us on work-life balance. We are the King and Queen of Work-Life Balance. Rookie, PLEASE!
Free Nelson Mandela!
Does this remind anyone else of the Tom Cruise Scientology propaganda that leaked a few years ago?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFBZ_uAbxS0
Except Kyle’s is even longer and more mind-numbing.
well, sorry I found this thread so late. I attended and am somewhere in the middle. It was not the money, although that is important. I would rather have seen more hands on interaction rather then a series of lectures. More Tony Clifton and less Tony Robbins. I think the larger disappointment was the lack of follow-up when I asked how to “open” for Louie in Vegas.
The best part WAS the line up of touring comics who told their stories and some were rather inspiring. what I wish would have happened is some sort of follow-up, some sort of mechanism to see what happened without the NEXT $3000.